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So I could be wrong but when I tried looking into it I found that: Obama's suspended the processing of refugee statuses with the United States for 6 months for

So I could be wrong but when I tried looking into it I found that: Obama's suspended the processing of refugee statuses with the United States for 6 months for people in Iraq. This had no affect on those with existing visas, green cards or approved refugee statuses. It's my understanding this process can take from 6 months to 2 years to complete. This means no one would be disrupted / detained during travel as they wouldn't have been approved to travel yet. Trump's executive order, however, applied to multiple countries and to people with green cards (initially) and visas. It was highly disruptive to those already in transit or were soon to be traveling. Please correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I could tell they seem very different.

leereeves 10y ago
May I ask for your source regarding the application of this order to people with green cards? It's so hard to find the actual facts amid the rhetoric.
- BinaryIdiot 10y ago
  I can't find the DHS release regarding it but multiple news outlets reported on it. Here's the NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-u... From my understanding: DHS initially said this would affect green card holders. Then the administration said green card holders need a special waiver to get through. Then that specific decision was reversed and now all green card holders can get through. But of course if you find anything I said was incorrect please let me know :). I agree it's hard to find good sources with the media in a fury over this story.
- ern 10y ago
  From Fox News: That covers legal permanent residents -- green card holders -- and visa-holders from those seven countries who are out of the United States after Friday, when President Donald Trump signed an executive order with the temporary ban. They cannot return to the U.S. for 90 days. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/29/federal-judge-grants-stay-to-allow-those-with-visas-to-remain.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/29/federal-judge-grants-st... Googling "Green cards visa blocked" gives plenty more results.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    Finding a source isn't the problem. The problem is finding the truth amid all the confusion and partisanship. > White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus: "We didn't overrule the Department of Homeland Security, as far as green card holders moving forward, it doesn't affect them" http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigration-order-doesn-t-include-green-card-holders-anyone-n713731 http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigr... I'm wondering if this was a reversal or a misunderstanding.
    - ern 10y ago
      A reversal (Google for "trump reverse green card"): http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-reince-priebus-green-card-holders-visa-travel-warning-a7552041.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum... In case you don't trust The Independent Here's a solidly right wing source to back it up: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive-order-covers-green-cards-why http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive...
      - leereeves 10y ago
        Both of those sources are merely someone's opinion. The order was signed on Jan 27. On the morning of Jan 29, Priebus said that it did not affect green card holders. If that's a reversal, it was remarkably quick.
        ern 10y ago
        "It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email. http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Green-card-holders-included-in-Trump-ban-479839 http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Gree... Now, of course, one could argue that the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security was making things up, but the overwhelming evidence, from ideologically and geographically diverse news sources all says the same thing: the ban included green cards, before being reversed.
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leereeves 10y ago

May I ask for your source regarding the application of this order to people with green cards? It's so hard to find the actual facts amid the rhetoric.

BinaryIdiot 10y ago
I can't find the DHS release regarding it but multiple news outlets reported on it. Here's the NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-u... From my understanding: DHS initially said this would affect green card holders. Then the administration said green card holders need a special waiver to get through. Then that specific decision was reversed and now all green card holders can get through. But of course if you find anything I said was incorrect please let me know :). I agree it's hard to find good sources with the media in a fury over this story.
ern 10y ago
From Fox News: That covers legal permanent residents -- green card holders -- and visa-holders from those seven countries who are out of the United States after Friday, when President Donald Trump signed an executive order with the temporary ban. They cannot return to the U.S. for 90 days. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/29/federal-judge-grants-stay-to-allow-those-with-visas-to-remain.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/29/federal-judge-grants-st... Googling "Green cards visa blocked" gives plenty more results.
- leereeves 10y ago
  Finding a source isn't the problem. The problem is finding the truth amid all the confusion and partisanship. > White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus: "We didn't overrule the Department of Homeland Security, as far as green card holders moving forward, it doesn't affect them" http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigration-order-doesn-t-include-green-card-holders-anyone-n713731 http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigr... I'm wondering if this was a reversal or a misunderstanding.
  - ern 10y ago
    A reversal (Google for "trump reverse green card"): http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-reince-priebus-green-card-holders-visa-travel-warning-a7552041.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum... In case you don't trust The Independent Here's a solidly right wing source to back it up: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive-order-covers-green-cards-why http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive...
    - leereeves 10y ago
      Both of those sources are merely someone's opinion. The order was signed on Jan 27. On the morning of Jan 29, Priebus said that it did not affect green card holders. If that's a reversal, it was remarkably quick.
      - ern 10y ago
        "It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email. http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Green-card-holders-included-in-Trump-ban-479839 http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Gree... Now, of course, one could argue that the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security was making things up, but the overwhelming evidence, from ideologically and geographically diverse news sources all says the same thing: the ban included green cards, before being reversed.
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