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So protesters are entitled to hold people hostage for an arbitrary amount of time, just because they are unhappy? Give me a break.

dagw 10y ago
Where the bus services out of JFK also cancelled?
- baddox 10y ago
  If they weren't, then the people who condemn Uber for not striking should also condemn the bus drivers for not striking.
empath75 10y ago
When you have an administration whose stated goal is to tear the fabric of the country apart, don't be surprised when that is what happens.
closeparen 10y ago
We could say the same about the government (in fact, the protesters were saying that).
danharaj 10y ago
It doesn't matter if they're entitled or not, they did it, and then Uber did what they did, and people are now evaluating those actions based on the facts and their values. You don't have to agree with every protest. There isn't a universal rule that says all protest is good. But every protest can be judged on its merits, which is what people are doing, not reducing the motivations to "just because they are unhappy". Implying that this protest was started "just because they are unhappy" is disingenuous and refuses to engage with the issues in good faith.
- benchaney 10y ago
  My point isn't whether this particular protest is "good" or "bad". Even knowing relatively little about this protest, I think that I would likely agree with the protesters. My issue is that I don't see any reason why Uber should be obligated to stop service just because there is a protest going on. A lot of people in this thread seem to feel that having a protest entitles you to ruin other peoples' day and anyone who helps the people you are screwing is a bad guy. I see no good argument that supports that mentality.
  - danharaj 10y ago
    The history of direct action and protest which disrupts daily life is argument enough: It works. History also shows us that when people ignore injustice and just get on with their day, that allows the injustice to grow and fester. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated while the majority of people who could have stopped it did nothing. The word entitlement is so charged and vague, what do you mean by it? No one is legally entitled to disrupt peoples' lives, but the reason why people choose to protest and disrupt society until their demands are met is because they believe that society does not deserve to go on undisrupted while it allows some injustice to continue. Let's be real. If no one protested this ban on muslims, very few peoples' lives would be disrupted. It would be a slight hiccup to just discard these people from society and replace whatever function they played. We are all disposable. That is why people protest, because otherwise injustice would go unpunished. The abstract reasoning is this: If society is structured in such a way that an injustice can occur and persist with no disruption to society, then people are morally obligated to disrupt society when that injustice occurs in order to remedy it and prevent it in the future. The justification is empirical: Evidence demonstrates that when most people can go about their day without hindrance while atrocities are being committed, they will gladly get used to and accept those atrocities as a fact of life.
    - benchaney 10y ago
      If you want to claim that the justification is empirical, you are going to need some real empirical evidence. With respect to the word entitlement: I mean ethically. When someone is angry (like the people in this thread promising to delete Uber) that something didn't happen, then it seems like they felt entitled to have it happen.
GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
Freedom of assembly is a hell of a thing.
- benchaney 10y ago
  You seemed to have missed the point. They are free to assemble, but I see no reason why it is wrong for someone else to help the people getting screwed by a protest.
pikzen 10y ago
Yes. You've realized the point of a strike. You may also notice that they usually don't happen too often because the goal is to make you realize that either their current situation isn't livable anymore, or because there's a message to be spread. Do it too often and people turn against the protesters. It lasted one hour. Get over it. Social change doesn't happen without inconvenience.
- benchaney 10y ago
  The people who need to get over it are the people who are angry at Uber for doing their jobs. I am doing just fine.

dagw 10y ago

Where the bus services out of JFK also cancelled?

baddox 10y ago
If they weren't, then the people who condemn Uber for not striking should also condemn the bus drivers for not striking.

empath75 10y ago

When you have an administration whose stated goal is to tear the fabric of the country apart, don't be surprised when that is what happens.

closeparen 10y ago

We could say the same about the government (in fact, the protesters were saying that).

danharaj 10y ago

It doesn't matter if they're entitled or not, they did it, and then Uber did what they did, and people are now evaluating those actions based on the facts and their values. You don't have to agree with every protest. There isn't a universal rule that says all protest is good. But every protest can be judged on its merits, which is what people are doing, not reducing the motivations to "just because they are unhappy". Implying that this protest was started "just because they are unhappy" is disingenuous and refuses to engage with the issues in good faith.

benchaney 10y ago
My point isn't whether this particular protest is "good" or "bad". Even knowing relatively little about this protest, I think that I would likely agree with the protesters. My issue is that I don't see any reason why Uber should be obligated to stop service just because there is a protest going on. A lot of people in this thread seem to feel that having a protest entitles you to ruin other peoples' day and anyone who helps the people you are screwing is a bad guy. I see no good argument that supports that mentality.
- danharaj 10y ago
  The history of direct action and protest which disrupts daily life is argument enough: It works. History also shows us that when people ignore injustice and just get on with their day, that allows the injustice to grow and fester. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated while the majority of people who could have stopped it did nothing. The word entitlement is so charged and vague, what do you mean by it? No one is legally entitled to disrupt peoples' lives, but the reason why people choose to protest and disrupt society until their demands are met is because they believe that society does not deserve to go on undisrupted while it allows some injustice to continue. Let's be real. If no one protested this ban on muslims, very few peoples' lives would be disrupted. It would be a slight hiccup to just discard these people from society and replace whatever function they played. We are all disposable. That is why people protest, because otherwise injustice would go unpunished. The abstract reasoning is this: If society is structured in such a way that an injustice can occur and persist with no disruption to society, then people are morally obligated to disrupt society when that injustice occurs in order to remedy it and prevent it in the future. The justification is empirical: Evidence demonstrates that when most people can go about their day without hindrance while atrocities are being committed, they will gladly get used to and accept those atrocities as a fact of life.
  - benchaney 10y ago
    If you want to claim that the justification is empirical, you are going to need some real empirical evidence. With respect to the word entitlement: I mean ethically. When someone is angry (like the people in this thread promising to delete Uber) that something didn't happen, then it seems like they felt entitled to have it happen.

GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago

Freedom of assembly is a hell of a thing.

benchaney 10y ago
You seemed to have missed the point. They are free to assemble, but I see no reason why it is wrong for someone else to help the people getting screwed by a protest.

pikzen 10y ago

Yes. You've realized the point of a strike. You may also notice that they usually don't happen too often because the goal is to make you realize that either their current situation isn't livable anymore, or because there's a message to be spread. Do it too often and people turn against the protesters. It lasted one hour. Get over it. Social change doesn't happen without inconvenience.

benchaney 10y ago
The people who need to get over it are the people who are angry at Uber for doing their jobs. I am doing just fine.