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I don't think dropping "Computer" from "Apple Computer, Inc." is really a dramatic change that takes guts. Anyway, Microsoft is a soft and pretty easy target.

by jarek 17y ago

I don't think dropping "Computer" from "Apple Computer, Inc." is really a dramatic change that takes guts. Anyway, Microsoft is a soft and pretty easy target. Your critique of Google's efforts with Android, please?

blasdel 17y ago
Android wasn't gutsy at all: they hired the original Sidekick developers that were already most of the way through developing a bastard medley of other failed platforms on top of a bludgeoned Linux kernel. Palm's WebOS and HP's acquisition of them are gutsy. Google's development of ChromeOS is gutsy. Android ain't. The Android team did most of what they could to repeat all the mistakes of NewtonOS (app transclusion), the Sidekick (mandatory incomplete instant OTA-only sync), and classic Windows Mobile (total fealty to fractious manufacturers and carriers) — and then they added some of their own absurd retardation on top of that (like anything to do with the SD card, Dalvik, OpenBinder, etc.).
- enjo 17y ago
  Have you actually used a recent Android phone? I recently switched to an incredible after more than two years with iPhones (a first-gen and then a 3GS). In many ways I find the Android superior to the iPhone model. App transclusion, in my mind, is a positive. The application stack on Android makes great sense. It creates a repeatable sequence of events that I find easy to navigate. My wife, who is very much non-technical agrees. She has a much easier time with Android than she did with iPhone(s). While there are definitely issues with device fracturing it's an issue I'm hoping Google works to control more cleanly in the future. As it stands today you can safely target a small number of devices with more or less compatible specs and do quite well. Android 2.2 continues to address a lot of these issues. The pace at which the platform has matured is very nice. Overall, I think the user experience on Android is rapidly approaching (and in some cases surpasses) that of the iPhone. I do find it interesting that in my social world, 2/3 of my non-technical friends have Android phones (mostly Motorola Droids). Every single one of them is pleased as punch.
jballanc 17y ago
Since you asked... Similar to Zune, Google's efforts with Android seemed really promising at the start. They took a different approach, attempting to be open from the start...and then went, what? six months without an update to the "public" source? That was just the first sign of trouble though, and the first indication that Google was not willing to do what it took to stand up to the carriers and stick by their original idea: an open phone OS. Since then, we've seen time and again how Google has essentially just thrown this OS out there and the handset makers and service providers are free to do with it as they please... Want to never update the OS for your users? eh, Google doesn't care. Want to provide a custom, potentially inferior, UI while still claiming the "Android" brand? bah, who cares about brand purity anyway, right? Seriously, outside of the hacker community I don't know of anyone who identifies their "Android" phone as an "Andriod" phone. In other words, Google seems to have done a giant favor to the handset makers by doing their job for them and demanding almost nothing in return, including nothing to improve the situation for Google's customers. If I buy an HTC phone from Verizon running Android, who's making sure I get what I want? and not just what happens to be most convenient and profitable for the companies involved? When Apple went carrier shopping, they went to Verizon first. Verizon was the biggest. Verizon had the best network. But Verizon demanded their typical suite of extortions and lock-downs on the phone. Did Apple cave? Nope! GUTS! They said, "You know what? AT&T might not have the best network, but we see this as a platform. Trust us, the call quality might not be great, but we're going to give you in a phone something no one has ever thought of giving you in a phone, and that's going to change everything!" Oh, and Google is no less schizophrenic of a company at the moment than Microsoft. Worse even! They seem to be frantically trying to find some way of earning money that doesn't involve advertising, but at the same time they seem too timid to really put all their chips behind anything. (edit: Oh, and yes...dropping "Computer" wasn't huge, but I also didn't mention the drastic change of processor architecture, the complete reinvention of their OS, cutting their product line down to 3 or 4 major SKUs...I could go on.)
- jarek 17y ago
  I don't fully agree, but I acknowledge the effort and the thought in your reply. Thanks.

by jarek 17y ago

blasdel 17y ago

Android wasn't gutsy at all: they hired the original Sidekick developers that were already most of the way through developing a bastard medley of other failed platforms on top of a bludgeoned Linux kernel. Palm's WebOS and HP's acquisition of them are gutsy. Google's development of ChromeOS is gutsy. Android ain't. The Android team did most of what they could to repeat all the mistakes of NewtonOS (app transclusion), the Sidekick (mandatory incomplete instant OTA-only sync), and classic Windows Mobile (total fealty to fractious manufacturers and carriers) — and then they added some of their own absurd retardation on top of that (like anything to do with the SD card, Dalvik, OpenBinder, etc.).

enjo 17y ago
Have you actually used a recent Android phone? I recently switched to an incredible after more than two years with iPhones (a first-gen and then a 3GS). In many ways I find the Android superior to the iPhone model. App transclusion, in my mind, is a positive. The application stack on Android makes great sense. It creates a repeatable sequence of events that I find easy to navigate. My wife, who is very much non-technical agrees. She has a much easier time with Android than she did with iPhone(s). While there are definitely issues with device fracturing it's an issue I'm hoping Google works to control more cleanly in the future. As it stands today you can safely target a small number of devices with more or less compatible specs and do quite well. Android 2.2 continues to address a lot of these issues. The pace at which the platform has matured is very nice. Overall, I think the user experience on Android is rapidly approaching (and in some cases surpasses) that of the iPhone. I do find it interesting that in my social world, 2/3 of my non-technical friends have Android phones (mostly Motorola Droids). Every single one of them is pleased as punch.

jballanc 17y ago

Since you asked... Similar to Zune, Google's efforts with Android seemed really promising at the start. They took a different approach, attempting to be open from the start...and then went, what? six months without an update to the "public" source? That was just the first sign of trouble though, and the first indication that Google was not willing to do what it took to stand up to the carriers and stick by their original idea: an open phone OS. Since then, we've seen time and again how Google has essentially just thrown this OS out there and the handset makers and service providers are free to do with it as they please... Want to never update the OS for your users? eh, Google doesn't care. Want to provide a custom, potentially inferior, UI while still claiming the "Android" brand? bah, who cares about brand purity anyway, right? Seriously, outside of the hacker community I don't know of anyone who identifies their "Android" phone as an "Andriod" phone. In other words, Google seems to have done a giant favor to the handset makers by doing their job for them and demanding almost nothing in return, including nothing to improve the situation for Google's customers. If I buy an HTC phone from Verizon running Android, who's making sure I get what I want? and not just what happens to be most convenient and profitable for the companies involved? When Apple went carrier shopping, they went to Verizon first. Verizon was the biggest. Verizon had the best network. But Verizon demanded their typical suite of extortions and lock-downs on the phone. Did Apple cave? Nope! GUTS! They said, "You know what? AT&T might not have the best network, but we see this as a platform. Trust us, the call quality might not be great, but we're going to give you in a phone something no one has ever thought of giving you in a phone, and that's going to change everything!" Oh, and Google is no less schizophrenic of a company at the moment than Microsoft. Worse even! They seem to be frantically trying to find some way of earning money that doesn't involve advertising, but at the same time they seem too timid to really put all their chips behind anything. (edit: Oh, and yes...dropping "Computer" wasn't huge, but I also didn't mention the drastic change of processor architecture, the complete reinvention of their OS, cutting their product line down to 3 or 4 major SKUs...I could go on.)

jarek 17y ago
I don't fully agree, but I acknowledge the effort and the thought in your reply. Thanks.