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Something wrong with this world. I wish it to be vice a versa. Brin should be in the president chair, making America great as Google, and Trump should be outsid

by meshr 10y ago

Something wrong with this world. I wish it to be vice a versa. Brin should be in the president chair, making America great as Google, and Trump should be outside joining protest against modernization.

anjc 10y ago
Yes, Brin, who campaigns to let in more cheap workers from emerging economies via H1B should be in charge of America.
- mhneu 10y ago
  Smart workers. America's economy benefits from bringing some of the best brains in the world here. If America screws that up, other countries will be happy to accept smart workers and students.
- jptman 10y ago
  Google workers.. cheap?
  - anjc 10y ago
    Campaigning for H1B increases means campaigning for them across the board. There have been cases of H1B's effectively being slaves in some companies.
    - RealityVoid 10y ago
      I find your position disingenuous. When people bring up H1B = slaves they don't care about the poor immigrant's low wage, they care about the indirect impact they would have on their salaries. I, for one, would(or would have before Trump) gladly worked even for 66000 $/year in the US, considering I'm currently making 1/5th of that in my home country. And it would be advantageous for me and would not see myself as a slave - people go there using H1B because it makes sense financially. And there you go, saying you're against H1B because you want to protect those people from what they want to do? The argument doesn't make sense! Just say already you want to protect your wages and don't hide behind "good will".
      - anjc 10y ago
        I'm in your position but even worse off, so I'm not a US citizen and am not just being exclusionary. Of course it's rational for people to go to the US on H1b visas. I would be of the exact same opinion as you in this sense. This isn't the issue though. One of the issue is the abuses that are occurring due to companies ability to hire many H1B workers at the expense of their own. Another issue is that large corporations are practically dictating government policy on visas. None of these are right imo.
        RealityVoid 10y ago
        > This isn't the issue though. One of the issue is the abuses that are occurring due to companies ability to hire many H1B workers at the expense of their own. Another issue is that large corporations are practically dictating government policy on visas. None of these are right imo. And these are not the issues I'm attacking. I'm arguing against the self-richeous statements of some people that are against H1B visas because of the poor poor immigrants that come here[there] to earn such low salaries. They care about their own salaries, and that's fine, but just say so. In my post, I didn't take an issue with protectionism (although I don't agree with it either, even if I were either side of the border) but name that as your reason, don't hide behind a false one.
    - euyyn 10y ago
      > Campaigning for H1B increases means campaigning for them across the board. No, it doesn't mean that.
      - anjc 10y ago
        Of course it does. The H1B scheme isn't a Google scheme. They might campaign for certain parameters within the scheme, e.g. required skillset, minimum pay, but ultimately they're campaigning to extend the scheme. Which leaves it open to abuses by other companies, and continued worker displacement, and continued suppression of wages.
        euyyn 10y ago
        The H1B visa program already has different pipelines for different countries and education levels. Even if it didn't, that it does, there's no reason they couldn't be implemented. The bucket companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon or Microsoft are trying to hire from is the highest skillset. The supply is so short that starting salaries out of college are 6 figures; the situation is gentrifying the whole Bay Area. There's no way random shady company X can abuse any of these candidates, nor treat them like slaves, rather the opposite. The other end of the H1B spectrum, these companies aren't interested in hiring. Their shareholders wouldn't want to spend a dime lobbying to extend those buckets. I know all this from my own experience going through the process.
- johansch 10y ago
  I really don't think Google is a H1B abuser. They are very much not in the low-to-medium end sysadmin/"IT person" consulting business. The mere fact that you don't already understand this honestly kind of makes me wonder what you are doing here. Unless, of course you are really against importing very competent people that will have high salaries, pay a lot of tax and be great benefit to the US, just for the selfish reason that it doesn't drive up your own salary... even more? Let's just say there are quite a few smaller wannabe "Silicon Valleys" outside of the US that are picking up steam. If your government will continue to behave this erratically they will be quite happy.
  - flukus 10y ago
    Google doesn't have to be an abuser directly to benefit from industry wide wage deflation.
  - anjc 10y ago
    Of course I know the type of people Google hire. Google are irrelevant...Google campaign for an extension of H1B issuances full stop...not for more just for great companies. The abuses and pitfalls of these visas are open for you to examine and you should be aware of them if you're in the industry...there have been numerous studies on wage suppression, graduate unemployment, numerous court cases, instances of mass-firings, large displacement, etc. I'm not a US citizen and don't live in the US so my salary is irrelevant.
- jza00425 10y ago
  So US should probably not take any immigrants, because 99 per cent is cheap worker. You are probably the cheap labor compared to some of these h1b googler.
  - anjc 10y ago
    He's campaigning in favour of the H1B scheme, not in favour of H1Bs for Google. This will continue to suppress wages and continue to displace workers.

by meshr 10y ago

anjc 10y ago

Yes, Brin, who campaigns to let in more cheap workers from emerging economies via H1B should be in charge of America.

mhneu 10y ago
Smart workers. America's economy benefits from bringing some of the best brains in the world here. If America screws that up, other countries will be happy to accept smart workers and students.
jptman 10y ago
Google workers.. cheap?
- anjc 10y ago
  Campaigning for H1B increases means campaigning for them across the board. There have been cases of H1B's effectively being slaves in some companies.
  - RealityVoid 10y ago
    I find your position disingenuous. When people bring up H1B = slaves they don't care about the poor immigrant's low wage, they care about the indirect impact they would have on their salaries. I, for one, would(or would have before Trump) gladly worked even for 66000 $/year in the US, considering I'm currently making 1/5th of that in my home country. And it would be advantageous for me and would not see myself as a slave - people go there using H1B because it makes sense financially. And there you go, saying you're against H1B because you want to protect those people from what they want to do? The argument doesn't make sense! Just say already you want to protect your wages and don't hide behind "good will".
    - anjc 10y ago
      I'm in your position but even worse off, so I'm not a US citizen and am not just being exclusionary. Of course it's rational for people to go to the US on H1b visas. I would be of the exact same opinion as you in this sense. This isn't the issue though. One of the issue is the abuses that are occurring due to companies ability to hire many H1B workers at the expense of their own. Another issue is that large corporations are practically dictating government policy on visas. None of these are right imo.
      - RealityVoid 10y ago
        > This isn't the issue though. One of the issue is the abuses that are occurring due to companies ability to hire many H1B workers at the expense of their own. Another issue is that large corporations are practically dictating government policy on visas. None of these are right imo. And these are not the issues I'm attacking. I'm arguing against the self-richeous statements of some people that are against H1B visas because of the poor poor immigrants that come here[there] to earn such low salaries. They care about their own salaries, and that's fine, but just say so. In my post, I didn't take an issue with protectionism (although I don't agree with it either, even if I were either side of the border) but name that as your reason, don't hide behind a false one.
  - euyyn 10y ago
    > Campaigning for H1B increases means campaigning for them across the board. No, it doesn't mean that.
    - anjc 10y ago
      Of course it does. The H1B scheme isn't a Google scheme. They might campaign for certain parameters within the scheme, e.g. required skillset, minimum pay, but ultimately they're campaigning to extend the scheme. Which leaves it open to abuses by other companies, and continued worker displacement, and continued suppression of wages.
      - euyyn 10y ago
        The H1B visa program already has different pipelines for different countries and education levels. Even if it didn't, that it does, there's no reason they couldn't be implemented. The bucket companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon or Microsoft are trying to hire from is the highest skillset. The supply is so short that starting salaries out of college are 6 figures; the situation is gentrifying the whole Bay Area. There's no way random shady company X can abuse any of these candidates, nor treat them like slaves, rather the opposite. The other end of the H1B spectrum, these companies aren't interested in hiring. Their shareholders wouldn't want to spend a dime lobbying to extend those buckets. I know all this from my own experience going through the process.
johansch 10y ago
I really don't think Google is a H1B abuser. They are very much not in the low-to-medium end sysadmin/"IT person" consulting business. The mere fact that you don't already understand this honestly kind of makes me wonder what you are doing here. Unless, of course you are really against importing very competent people that will have high salaries, pay a lot of tax and be great benefit to the US, just for the selfish reason that it doesn't drive up your own salary... even more? Let's just say there are quite a few smaller wannabe "Silicon Valleys" outside of the US that are picking up steam. If your government will continue to behave this erratically they will be quite happy.
- flukus 10y ago
  Google doesn't have to be an abuser directly to benefit from industry wide wage deflation.
- anjc 10y ago
  Of course I know the type of people Google hire. Google are irrelevant...Google campaign for an extension of H1B issuances full stop...not for more just for great companies. The abuses and pitfalls of these visas are open for you to examine and you should be aware of them if you're in the industry...there have been numerous studies on wage suppression, graduate unemployment, numerous court cases, instances of mass-firings, large displacement, etc. I'm not a US citizen and don't live in the US so my salary is irrelevant.
jza00425 10y ago
So US should probably not take any immigrants, because 99 per cent is cheap worker. You are probably the cheap labor compared to some of these h1b googler.
- anjc 10y ago
  He's campaigning in favour of the H1B scheme, not in favour of H1Bs for Google. This will continue to suppress wages and continue to displace workers.