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> That's a non-argument. Like saying if you don't like America why don't you leave. Bzzzt! But thanks for playing... Unfortunately there's this concept known a

> That's a non-argument. Like saying if you don't like America why don't you leave. Bzzzt! But thanks for playing... Unfortunately there's this concept known as citizenship. You're sorta born into it (usually). Ask any immigrant you meet, and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you that getting over all the legal requirements associated with moving countries is non-trivial (and that's even considering that the US, for all the criticism it receives, has one of the more open immigration policies in the world). You know what it takes to be free from the tyranny of the iPad? Don't buy one! So why is that a non-argument? Because you're entitled to an iPad under terms and conditions you feel are reasonable? Freedom comes with citizenship because you don't have a choice there... > It's certainly not because open platforms are unsuccessful Did I say that? Here, let me try this again: Apple makes a product and sells it for a price. You have a job (presumably) and make money to spend on products. You can buy Apple's product, or not. They're not trying to trick you by claiming this product is something its not. You, having not entered into a contract commissioning the product they are selling have precisely zero right to demand the product be anything other than what it is. If you don't like the product, buy something else. If there's nothing else comparable to buy your choices are: 1. make something better yourself 2. ask somebody else to make something better for you to buy

Herring 16y ago
Put your pants back on. People don't need a contract to complain. I bought an ipad because I thought the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. I still do. For now, I'll occasionally post about the advantages & occasionally also complain about the disadvantages. Maybe I'll jailbreak it. Or maybe I'll sell it when something better comes along. Life is more complex than "buy something else" & there are more important things to get angry about.
- IdeaHamster 16y ago
  Sorry, didn't mean to rant. I agree that it's perfectly fine to complain about a product that you otherwise like well enough to have purchased. I guess what angers me is all these hackers and programmers and creative business types complaining so much...when they're precisely the ones who can do something about it! You know what? I have a lot of respect for Fusion Garage. They may be far off the mark, but at least they are trying!
  - vetinari 16y ago
    Just like Apple can design their product in any way they want, all these hackers and programmers and creative business types can complain all they want. But because they complain, does not mean they want to get into hardware business. So just like the advice "if you do not like the devices, buy something else" is valid, so is "if you do not like hearing critique, grow a thicker skin". We are (mostly) from free countries, with freedom of expression and all that jazz.
    - IdeaHamster 16y ago
      The problem is that these critiques are often much more than just critique. They often take the form of an outright call to arms against a great injustice. And, you know, even that wouldn't bother me so much, except for the boy-crying-wolf effect. When someone does actually do something worth taking up arms to oppose, is anyone going to pay attention anymore? or are they just going to think, "Pfft...probably somebody stole another iPhone. Who cares..."?

Herring 16y ago

Put your pants back on. People don't need a contract to complain. I bought an ipad because I thought the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. I still do. For now, I'll occasionally post about the advantages & occasionally also complain about the disadvantages. Maybe I'll jailbreak it. Or maybe I'll sell it when something better comes along. Life is more complex than "buy something else" & there are more important things to get angry about.

IdeaHamster 16y ago
Sorry, didn't mean to rant. I agree that it's perfectly fine to complain about a product that you otherwise like well enough to have purchased. I guess what angers me is all these hackers and programmers and creative business types complaining so much...when they're precisely the ones who can do something about it! You know what? I have a lot of respect for Fusion Garage. They may be far off the mark, but at least they are trying!
- vetinari 16y ago
  Just like Apple can design their product in any way they want, all these hackers and programmers and creative business types can complain all they want. But because they complain, does not mean they want to get into hardware business. So just like the advice "if you do not like the devices, buy something else" is valid, so is "if you do not like hearing critique, grow a thicker skin". We are (mostly) from free countries, with freedom of expression and all that jazz.
  - IdeaHamster 16y ago
    The problem is that these critiques are often much more than just critique. They often take the form of an outright call to arms against a great injustice. And, you know, even that wouldn't bother me so much, except for the boy-crying-wolf effect. When someone does actually do something worth taking up arms to oppose, is anyone going to pay attention anymore? or are they just going to think, "Pfft...probably somebody stole another iPhone. Who cares..."?