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What the hell is this context that you speak of? Defending the country's borders? Defending native industry? Preventing immigration from groups statistically li

by douche 10y ago

What the hell is this context that you speak of? Defending the country's borders? Defending native industry? Preventing immigration from groups statistically likely to commit terrorist acts?

DavidSJ 10y ago
Literally not a single terrorist attack has been committed on US soil by individuals from the affected countries in the last 42 years.
Tulip68 10y ago
The statistics on these people committing terrorism is literally zero. Not a single act of terrorism within the United States has been committed by a single person from any of these targeted countries. The statistics are unambiguously clear that you are statistically far more at risk from some white Christian guy who's obsessed with abortion than from some frightened refugee just looking for a roof over her/his head who happens to be of the Muslim faith.
cmurf 10y ago
Sending Jews on boats back to Germany because they might not be refugees but Nazis looking to infiltrate the mainland? Scared little bunny rabbits. Go scurry and hide rather than demand the rest of the world live in fear with you.
- dang 10y ago
  Commenting like this will get your account banned, so please don't do it. Comments here need to become more civil and substantive, not less, as topics get more divisive. If you can't do that, please don't post. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Also, please don't use HN primarily for political battle. That's an abuse of this site, and we ban accounts that do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13515696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13515696.
  - cmurf 10y ago
    I have a substantial history on HN aside from commenting on recent politics. And it's a gross distortion that you assert I've used this account primarily for "political battle". The parent asked a question "Preventing immigration from groups statistically likely to commit terrorist acts?" and I answered it with a rhetorical question based on historical fact. Jewish refugees were returned to Germany under the auspices that they might be Nazis and threaten the security of the U.S. and they were murdered as a result. The context of this entire thread is an executive order made on the International Holocaust Remembrance Day, a day in part, we remember how complicit we were in the murder of Jewish refugees by not protecting them, all because we were scared of hypotheticals rather than stand up for refugees. The ensuing national guilt is why we established the refugee policies we've had since WWII. Those policy makers refusing these refugees deserved to be called scared bunny rabbits, that's what they were and innocent people died because of the con game we played: that refugees were likely to commit terrorist acts. Calling them scared bunny rabbits is a kindness, and it is polite, and it is civil. Imagine what I really think. http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/ http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autoc... Now, if you folks can't handle political conversations, ban the submissions, not the ensuing discussions.
    - dang 10y ago
      That's good, but your recent comment history looked overwhelmingly political to me, hence my request. If you really don't see what's wrong with posting like this, we have a problem. Even if your position is 100% right, such rhetoric makes this place worse. Right people don't get to do that any more than wrong people do. Indeed, they arguably harm more.
      - cmurf 10y ago
        Scared people are not bad people. But they cannot protect the weakest among us. They will betray everything we claim is right, and moral, and give into fear. And they're among the first to demand everyone else be fearful, and to ask for the end to discussions that progress the conversation among those who are not fearful. When people see something that isn't right or fair or just they have a moral obligation to say something. Saying otherwise is just another betrayal and weakens everyone.

by douche 10y ago

What the hell is this context that you speak of? Defending the country's borders? Defending native industry? Preventing immigration from groups statistically likely to commit terrorist acts?

DavidSJ 10y ago

Literally not a single terrorist attack has been committed on US soil by individuals from the affected countries in the last 42 years.

Tulip68 10y ago

The statistics on these people committing terrorism is literally zero. Not a single act of terrorism within the United States has been committed by a single person from any of these targeted countries. The statistics are unambiguously clear that you are statistically far more at risk from some white Christian guy who's obsessed with abortion than from some frightened refugee just looking for a roof over her/his head who happens to be of the Muslim faith.

cmurf 10y ago

Sending Jews on boats back to Germany because they might not be refugees but Nazis looking to infiltrate the mainland? Scared little bunny rabbits. Go scurry and hide rather than demand the rest of the world live in fear with you.

dang 10y ago
Commenting like this will get your account banned, so please don't do it. Comments here need to become more civil and substantive, not less, as topics get more divisive. If you can't do that, please don't post. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html Also, please don't use HN primarily for political battle. That's an abuse of this site, and we ban accounts that do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13515696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13515696.
- cmurf 10y ago
  I have a substantial history on HN aside from commenting on recent politics. And it's a gross distortion that you assert I've used this account primarily for "political battle". The parent asked a question "Preventing immigration from groups statistically likely to commit terrorist acts?" and I answered it with a rhetorical question based on historical fact. Jewish refugees were returned to Germany under the auspices that they might be Nazis and threaten the security of the U.S. and they were murdered as a result. The context of this entire thread is an executive order made on the International Holocaust Remembrance Day, a day in part, we remember how complicit we were in the murder of Jewish refugees by not protecting them, all because we were scared of hypotheticals rather than stand up for refugees. The ensuing national guilt is why we established the refugee policies we've had since WWII. Those policy makers refusing these refugees deserved to be called scared bunny rabbits, that's what they were and innocent people died because of the con game we played: that refugees were likely to commit terrorist acts. Calling them scared bunny rabbits is a kindness, and it is polite, and it is civil. Imagine what I really think. http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/ http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autoc... Now, if you folks can't handle political conversations, ban the submissions, not the ensuing discussions.
  - dang 10y ago
    That's good, but your recent comment history looked overwhelmingly political to me, hence my request. If you really don't see what's wrong with posting like this, we have a problem. Even if your position is 100% right, such rhetoric makes this place worse. Right people don't get to do that any more than wrong people do. Indeed, they arguably harm more.
    - cmurf 10y ago
      Scared people are not bad people. But they cannot protect the weakest among us. They will betray everything we claim is right, and moral, and give into fear. And they're among the first to demand everyone else be fearful, and to ask for the end to discussions that progress the conversation among those who are not fearful. When people see something that isn't right or fair or just they have a moral obligation to say something. Saying otherwise is just another betrayal and weakens everyone.