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DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders
- jrockway 10y agoIs this code for, "we're ignoring the injunction"?
- arthulia 10y agono it's not code. They are literally saying that.
- elastic_church 10y ago> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders says the opposite to me
- jrockway 10y agoYou appear to be correct. Wow. I just saw this on my G+ stream: https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/T72eVRRHv39 https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/T72eVRRHv39 Also wow.
- kchoudhu 10y agoOh my. That said (and this is not casting any aspersion on Yonathan) is there someone closer to governance/immigration law with the same take?
- rosstex 10y agoNo, as the injunction only applied to travelers that were already in transit or currently detained.
- douche 10y agoGood. Glad to see that the government works once in a while. If the tsa would fold up and go away, I would be the happiest
- tomcam 10y agoIs this the post-post-political era of HN?
- gizmo385 10y ago"Yesterday, less than one percent of the more than 325,000 international air travelers who arrive every day were inconvenienced while enhanced security measures were implemented." I guess getting detained and denied entry into the country is "enhanced security measures"?
- skuhn 10y agoInteresting that they finally gave a scope to the people impacted. 3200 people doesn't seem like chump change to me. And I guess deporting people is the most enhanced security measure of them all. If we could deport everyone that lives in the US, I bet security would be pretty tight.
- smsm42 10y agoWhere 3200 people comes from?
- skuhn 10y agoAn approximation of "less than one percent of the more than 325,000", which I would add is an extremely vague statement on their part.
- smsm42 10y ago"less than" doesn't mean "approximately that number".
- skuhn 10y agoThe language is obviously chosen to minimize (and trivialize) the number of people. If it were 1600 people, don't you think they would say less than 0.5%? If it were 3 people, don't you think they would say that? Anyway, read it however you like. I choose to read it as the maximum number of people that could fit within their language, because I think it was written to be purposefully ambiguous.
- matthewmacleod 10y agoNo foreign national in a foreign land, without ties to the United States Permanent residents who have lived in the US for years and are travelling have no ties to the country? That's a stupid statement.
- throwaway942024 10y ago...isn't permanent residence a tie to the United States?
- daeken 10y agoYes, but that doesn't change the fact that this executive order puts them solidly in the crosshairs. That's what makes the statement so ridiculous.
- daeken 10y agoWe now have a government agency publicly disregarding an injunction by the Federal courts. This is bad. This goes far beyond this specific issue (which, while nasty, affects relatively few people). This sets a fucking awful precedent. This cannot be allowed to happen. I would love to see everyone violating this injunction (and ordering others to do so) be put in jail, just as if I or anyone else were to violate such a court order.
- Waterluvian 10y agoAre they though? The last paragraph says they will comply. I think this says little new other than there being a lot of confusion everywhere.
- gotchange 10y agoCan't the press ask for a press conference to clarify these issues?
- aerovistae 10y ago> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; Think you might've read over that
- jrockway 10y agoExcept reports are: they _aren't_ complying, and are being told not to comply. This press release is words, not actions.
- smsm42 10y ago"Reports are" is rather vague. Which reports are about this non-compliance, in which form they are not complying?
- jrockway 10y agoI had already posted this elsewhere in the thread: https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/T72eVRRHv39 https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/T72eVRRHv39
- mdsfwrz 10y ago"No foreign national in a foreign land, without ties to the United States, has any unfettered right to demand entry into the United States"-- how about those with green cards and visas that we are already gave the right to live here to?
- Swizec 10y agoUnfortunately only citizenship guarantees entry. Visas and green cards are more like guidelines. Very strong guidelines, but guidelines non-the-less. Only a DHS agent can grant entry to non-citizens. On a case by case basis. I imagine the questions are going to get harder. No more easy peasy things like "Where do you work?", "Why are you coming?", "Are you staying?".
- tn13 10y agoIt is obvious that DHS and all others must obey the law. It is important to note that the people affected here are not just the hijab wearing sharia loving Muslims (as trump might describe them) but also people who helped US army carry out the unnecessary operations in their homeland and as a result face danger in their own country. Some top notch researchers or even activists who are fighting the oppressive regimes in their home countries. As an immigrant I think I better max out my credit cards borrow all possible loans before leaving USA !
- threeseed 10y agoActually those types of Muslims eg. from Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. are still welcome in the US. Even though some countries eg Indonesia have quite the homegrown terrorist network. Clearly this was never about terrorism. It's about cynically assigning blame to countries who have no means to fight back ie. a Trump hotel or military purchasing power.
- BHSPitMonkey 10y ago> Yesterday, less than one percent of the more than 325,000 international air travelers who arrive every day were inconvenienced while enhanced security measures were implemented. Oh, well as long as it's only minorities who have to suffer, then I guess all is well.
- dom0 10y ago"Works for me" - people every time this shit happens When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out. Martin Niemöller, 1946 Now, of course the US aren't a Nazi state... yet. It's very important to make sure it stays that way, that should be the civil duty of all real democrats in your country right now.
- synicalx 10y agoMinority VS minorities, very important distinction to make here. Minorities as in groups of an existing population aren't inconvenienced here, a numerical minority of the 325,000 are inconvenienced.
- clhodapp 10y ago> President Trump’s Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security. Whelp (editing out the explicative here), this makes it the official position of the DHS that the already-over-the-top measures they have been taking in recent years are not sufficient to establish "control over America's borders and national security".
- ciconia 10y agoYep, kinda makes you wonder what the hell they've been doing up until now...
- Tulip68 10y agoThis is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc. to put aside petty partisan bickering and remove this fascist con-man from office immediately. If we don't, history will judge us all the same way as we judge those who looked aside while Hitler made a mockery out of his country's democratic institutions en route to handing himself supreme power. I cannot overstate the danger we are all in every day this psychopathic fascist is allowed to remain in that office. He must be stopped immediately. Our most fundamental and cherished values are at stake here.
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- douche 10y agoIts interesting how overreach in executive orders on one side is greeted as business as usual, versus being viewed as grounds for secession when the shoe is on the other foot
- matthewmacleod 10y agoNo, it's not that interesting. Context obviously matters, and I am baffled that so many people are pretending not to understand that.
- xenadu02 10y agoI wonder how much of the ambiguity is incompetence and how much is willful? This administration would be far from the first government to deliberately play dumb, issue contradictory statements, and otherwise sow confusion to keep any potential opposition scattered and on the defensive. Of course it could all just be a really sloppy transition. I'm going to assume the last paragraph in the statement is controlling and they will comply (even though we are getting reports of some DHS offices ignoring the stay). But what if they don't? Refusal to follow court orders will be the end of the United States. Once you break that seal everything falls apart. We have appeals for a reason. Congress has the power to change the law (thus overriding the courts) for a reason. This is also something some of us warned you Trump supporters about and you ignored it or laughed it off. If you think Steve Bannon (new de-facto head of the National Security Council) gives two shits about the rule of law I've got a bridge to sell you. We already know Trump doesn't give a crap when he started bashing the US citizen judge presiding over his Trump University case by saying he wasn't qualified to judge the case because he was "Mexican". It's a trivial step to declare Congress invalid and establish "temporary emergency measures". Even if you agree with Trump and support him you should understand how refusal to follow our legal process is a direct threat to everyone... a far greater long-term threat than letting 10,000 terrorists into the country. We can rebuild buildings. We cannot so easily rebuild a functioning democracy. If you think the FBI or police agencies would step in to stop Trump from declaring himself dictator you are sadly mistaken. I hope this is just incompetence. If it isn't then the day is coming soon when every one of us must pick a side and take direct action. Fortunately I don't expect that to happen, but the chances have moved up "impossible".
- kchoudhu 10y agoThat's some grade-A doublespeak right there. Are they going to follow the courts' orders or not?
- anarazel 10y agoThat doesn't really seem to say much. The stay was only for in-transit passengers, it said naught about denying boarding. And the statement said they'll comply with court orders. As much as I detest what's happening - what else would they say?
- clark-kent 10y agoSounds like a puff piece by the Trump DHS to appear tough while adding a tiny line > The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders
- andrewclunn 10y ago"They have made their ruling. Now let's see them enforce it." - Andrew Jackson
- OJFord 10y ago> No foreign national in a foreign land, without ties to the United States, has any unfettered right to demand entry into the United States Well, Commonwealth citizens have a head of state who: > Requests and requires ... all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary. :) - I'm sort of joking of course, nothing wrong with the DHS quote, it's just unfortunate (to put it lightly) for those who have been there and are suddenly... well, fettered.
- nl 10y agoI think this story is the most important thing I've read so far: Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries [..] did not apply [..] to [] green card holders. The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. ..... Bannon wanted turmoil and condemnation. He wanted this executive order to get as much publicity as possible.[..] He thinks this will be a PR win. Liberals think the same thing. All the protests, the court judgments, the press coverage: this is something that will make middle America understand just what Trump is really all about. And once they figure it out, they'll turn on him. [..] After a week of skirmishes, this is finally a hill that both sides are willing to die for. Who's going to win? http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/trumps-immigration-fiasco-might-be-more-premeditated-we-think http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/trumps-immigra...
- ciconia 10y agoI was a foreign student at UCSD during 9/11 and have witnessed the hysterical reaction of the Bush administration, the establishment of the DHS and the TSA and their ridiculous security theatre. At a time when the world is more interconnected than ever, and technology offers "the world at your fingertips", these bigots want to shut us in and make everybody hate each other. Personally, it is heartbreaking to see the self-proclaimed "land of the free, home of the brave", the nation that once promised to be a sanctuary to the "huddled masses yearning to breathe free", in the grip of a paranoid meltdown.
- cmurf 10y agoThe entire country is not in a meltdown. There's a president and a handful of Angsthasen in a meltdown, pretty much successfully dragging their party with them, and trying to drag the country into one also. Give it time to process. We have been through much worse. Don't write off the whole lot who do not agree with the true intent of these policies. Now maybe some of us can stop being so naive about broken campaign promises? Obviously there are some that should not have been made, but they certainly should not have been kept. Notice the emphasis by the administration on keeping campaign promises. That is an explicit dig at all Trump voters: they are claiming you want this. You are being made complicit, even if you think you voted for other reasons.
- diyorgasms 10y agoTrump guys are, have been, and always will be complicit in the pain, suffering, and death we are visiting on people. I will never forgive them for this.
- bnolsen 10y agoMy niece and my aunt are coming to visit in a few days and there seems to be no issues. A lot of noise over stalling a few countries with serious terrorist and isis presence. Its going to be a few tough years as the media openly has the knives out and will do anything to bash the president.
- Buge 10y agoWere your niece and aunt born in one of the 7 countries in the ban (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia)? If not, then their situation is irrelevant.
- vargalas 10y ago"The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders;"
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- SSLy 10y agois there an option like "i don't really give a fuck about politics, US especially" anywhere on this site? pretty please?