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What are the many missing packages on Debian? From my experience Centos looks like a bad joke.

by dima55 10y ago

solarengineer 10y ago
I happen to run most of the latest of things on CentOS (server-side only, though). My approach has been to package and deliver modern versions of various runtimes (python, ruby, jre) into specific directories for my apps. This way, I am not dependent on the system-provided runtimes which are an older version. For my work with Belenix (revamp not announced yet), I am working on examples where users no longer depend upon system-supplied package versions, and instead choose their own local instances.
- bonzini 10y ago
  Why don't you use Software Collections to get the newer versions of the runtimes?
  - solarengineer 10y ago
    Though I had a commercial contract in place for Software Collection, these were not as up to date with what the communities released (e.g. Ruby). Hence my approach of packaging and testing my own builds of these.
- jlgaddis 10y ago
  Are you aware of the "software collections"? That may or may not be of use to you.
bonzini 10y ago
CentOS only includes packages that Red Hat builds and supports on RHEL. Extra packages are maintained by the community as part of Fedora EPEL.
- mrmondo 10y ago
  and a number of other useful community / product maintained repos such as PostgreSQL's official yum repo, ELRepo, Docker's official repo, Sernet's official Samba repo, Nginx's official repo etc...
StreamBright 10y ago
Not sure what you mean, if RedHat/CentOS is good for Amazon to run their 2M linux nodes, it is probably good enough for me to host my services. The stability and production readiness of the platform beats all the other Linux distributions, especially Ubuntu and I would argue Debian too (hello purify complains bug).
- lima 10y ago
  As someone who is using all of them, I'm inclined to agree.
mrmondo 10y ago
Most SELinux policies, Corosync and Pacemaker and related HA / clustering tools, and a pile of other things and they settled for a really awful stable kernel major in Jessie / 8.x. It really went downhill with, the release of 8.0, the only improvement we really saw was a slightly newer kernel (but still old) and SystemD (although not consistantly implemented), The Debian community has also fallen through the floor, lots of smart-ass bickering and slack package maintainership and generally unhelpful, rude contributors / owners. By contrast RHEL/CentOS sped up their release cycles after re-in-housing Fedora as and taking a lot of it's rolling updates into stable a lot quicker and the community has been fantastic, Redhat have really stepped up and modernised their game a lot over the past two or there years.

What are the many missing packages on Debian? From my experience Centos looks like a bad joke.

by dima55 10y ago

What are the many missing packages on Debian? From my experience Centos looks like a bad joke.

I happen to run most of the latest of things on CentOS (server-side only, though). My approach has been to package and deliver modern versions of various runtimes (python, ruby, jre) into specific directories for my apps. This way, I am not dependent on the system-provided runtimes which are an older version. For my work with Belenix (revamp not announced yet), I am working on examples where users no longer depend upon system-supplied package versions, and instead choose their own local instances.

bonzini 10y ago
Why don't you use Software Collections to get the newer versions of the runtimes?
- solarengineer 10y ago
  Though I had a commercial contract in place for Software Collection, these were not as up to date with what the communities released (e.g. Ruby). Hence my approach of packaging and testing my own builds of these.
jlgaddis 10y ago
Are you aware of the "software collections"? That may or may not be of use to you.

bonzini 10y ago

CentOS only includes packages that Red Hat builds and supports on RHEL. Extra packages are maintained by the community as part of Fedora EPEL.

mrmondo 10y ago
and a number of other useful community / product maintained repos such as PostgreSQL's official yum repo, ELRepo, Docker's official repo, Sernet's official Samba repo, Nginx's official repo etc...

StreamBright 10y ago

Not sure what you mean, if RedHat/CentOS is good for Amazon to run their 2M linux nodes, it is probably good enough for me to host my services. The stability and production readiness of the platform beats all the other Linux distributions, especially Ubuntu and I would argue Debian too (hello purify complains bug).

lima 10y ago
As someone who is using all of them, I'm inclined to agree.

mrmondo 10y ago

Most SELinux policies, Corosync and Pacemaker and related HA / clustering tools, and a pile of other things and they settled for a really awful stable kernel major in Jessie / 8.x. It really went downhill with, the release of 8.0, the only improvement we really saw was a slightly newer kernel (but still old) and SystemD (although not consistantly implemented), The Debian community has also fallen through the floor, lots of smart-ass bickering and slack package maintainership and generally unhelpful, rude contributors / owners. By contrast RHEL/CentOS sped up their release cycles after re-in-housing Fedora as and taking a lot of it's rolling updates into stable a lot quicker and the community has been fantastic, Redhat have really stepped up and modernised their game a lot over the past two or there years.