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>We have to push trump out of office. On what grounds? His immigration actions are well within the ambit of the law. Just because you don't like him?

by mordant 10y ago

diminoten 10y ago
I'm not sure that's the case, but the legality of a decision aside, there is a morality aspect that one may find reprehensible, and yes, if Trump violates your moral sensibilities, you would want to remove him from office because you don't "like" him. As far as the legality, I believe that's being challenged in court as we speak.
ChrisLTD 10y ago
Courts will decide the legality: http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-halts-trumps-immigration-ban http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-hal...
bduerst 10y ago
No, the order violates the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin and specifically overrules 8 U.S. Code § 1182. What the United States President is doing right now is illegal and unconstitutional.
tptacek 10y ago
No, they were not. The Immigration and Nationalization Act forbids discrimination on the basis of country of origin; even the notion that Trump can exercise executive authority to single out nations as threats was challenged, decades ago, and found false. Not only that, but they're denying lawful permanent residents at the border. Trump won't be impeached for this, but with Bannon running the show --- he just replaced (literally) the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Director of National Intelligence on the NSC Principals Committee --- it's just a matter of time before he does something that leaves Congress with no choice.
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
  It's been mentioned a few times elsewhere that Obama banned Iraqis from entering for 6 months in 2011. Do you know anything about that and it's legality? How does it differ from Trumps ban?
  - tptacek 10y ago
    Twice, I think, the Obama administration put a hold on refugee applications from Iraq. Trump's order blocks entry to the country to all people from Iraq and 6 other country, not just as refugees (who will reside here indefinitely) but for any reason at all, even if they are already lawful permanent residents of the US. Anyone telling you that these are comparable actions has an agenda you should be suspicious of.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
      Thanks for clearing that up.
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gdulli 10y ago
The thing about electing a reality TV personality with no impulse control or knowledge of law or government is that assuming he'll take only legal actions is dangerously, irresponsibly naive.
- workerIbe 10y ago
  He said he was going to do this for a year, how is it impulsive?
mozumder 10y ago
> Just because you don't like him? As good as reason as any. Morals are a perfectly fine qualification on a person. And is there anyone remaining that likes him?

>We have to push trump out of office. On what grounds? His immigration actions are well within the ambit of the law. Just because you don't like him?

by mordant 10y ago

>We have to push trump out of office. On what grounds? His immigration actions are well within the ambit of the law. Just because you don't like him?

diminoten 10y ago

I'm not sure that's the case, but the legality of a decision aside, there is a morality aspect that one may find reprehensible, and yes, if Trump violates your moral sensibilities, you would want to remove him from office because you don't "like" him. As far as the legality, I believe that's being challenged in court as we speak.

ChrisLTD 10y ago

Courts will decide the legality: http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-halts-trumps-immigration-ban http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-hal...

bduerst 10y ago

No, the order violates the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin and specifically overrules 8 U.S. Code § 1182. What the United States President is doing right now is illegal and unconstitutional.

tptacek 10y ago

No, they were not. The Immigration and Nationalization Act forbids discrimination on the basis of country of origin; even the notion that Trump can exercise executive authority to single out nations as threats was challenged, decades ago, and found false. Not only that, but they're denying lawful permanent residents at the border. Trump won't be impeached for this, but with Bannon running the show --- he just replaced (literally) the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Director of National Intelligence on the NSC Principals Committee --- it's just a matter of time before he does something that leaves Congress with no choice.

TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
It's been mentioned a few times elsewhere that Obama banned Iraqis from entering for 6 months in 2011. Do you know anything about that and it's legality? How does it differ from Trumps ban?
- tptacek 10y ago
  Twice, I think, the Obama administration put a hold on refugee applications from Iraq. Trump's order blocks entry to the country to all people from Iraq and 6 other country, not just as refugees (who will reside here indefinitely) but for any reason at all, even if they are already lawful permanent residents of the US. Anyone telling you that these are comparable actions has an agenda you should be suspicious of.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
    Thanks for clearing that up.
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gdulli 10y ago

The thing about electing a reality TV personality with no impulse control or knowledge of law or government is that assuming he'll take only legal actions is dangerously, irresponsibly naive.

workerIbe 10y ago
He said he was going to do this for a year, how is it impulsive?

mozumder 10y ago

> Just because you don't like him? As good as reason as any. Morals are a perfectly fine qualification on a person. And is there anyone remaining that likes him?