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This is a huge pet peeve of mine. I know competent developers who interrupt me and simply say "X doesn't work". For the most part I appreciate that they're just

This is a huge pet peeve of mine. I know competent developers who interrupt me and simply say "X doesn't work". For the most part I appreciate that they're just using the phrase as a conversation starter and they do have more context to share. But why not share it in the first place? I either have to wait for them to elaborate, or ask for more information. Either way, the verbal dance just prolongs the interruption for no obvious benefit. I think of it in the same way as someone messaging me saying "hey" or "are you there?". Genuine question: am I being unreasonable/irrational to be frustrated by this?

endgame 10y ago
Nope, and there's http://nohello.com http://nohello.com to point people in the right direction.
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  > The same goes for "Hello -- Are you there?", "Hi Bob -- quick question.", "Do you have a sec ?", "yt?" and "ping". Just ask the question! Actually, I'd prefer that coworkers don't start blowing up my phone/PC with chat alert beeps for an extended question until they've confirmed that I'm not in a meeting/trying to concentrate/etc.
  - notatoad 10y ago
    if you're in a meeting/trying to concentrate/etc, then why is your chat status still set to available?
    - somethingsright 10y ago
      Because I am available for certain questions. I am available for "quick" questions which only I would know the answer to, and for critical questions. I want to defer "easy" questions which the questioner can easily find the answer to, but is lazy or incompetent. In my role, I will get questions from downright simple "how do I reset my password", or was a certain move-to-production done; to some really critical ones, or, where others move on my go-ahead. The move-to-production query means different things based on who is asking. One person asks only because a end-user or their manager wants to know the status. Another person is asking that as a start of "we are seeing something strange in production" on a related functionality. So, I ignore the first person when actually busy, and attend to the second person right away always. Also, there are people change the status to 'busy' when they are not actually available, extended lunches and what-not. And there are more people who forget to reset their status to 'available'. So setting status to 'busy' is no guarantee that you will not get a ping. Or a phone-call.
      - notatoad 10y ago
        I still don't understand why you'd prefer a "hello" message in that context. If you're able to take quick questions but are working on something else, isn't it better to get the question in the initial message so you can decide if it's quick or deferable with minimal back and forth?
  - icebraining 10y ago
    Why? Does your chat client beep differently for longer messages? As long as it all fits in a single message, what's the difference?
    - cvs268 10y ago
      i think the point was to avoid incessant beeping due to multiple short sentences. I have seen the embarrassment on people's faces when in a meeting and their IM app starts beeping like a time-bomb after someone has cut the wrong-wire. The sender sending a short 1 liner and waiting for acknowledgement before proceeding would prevent this. (results in a single beep if the receiver is busy) Its also avoided if the sender simply sends their entire query as a single message. (again results in a single beep if the receiver is busy and doesn't reply)
      - icebraining 10y ago
        In my opinion, that's a bug in most chat apps. Multiple messages in succession from the same sender should only beep once. But I realize most people use restrictive apps, so they have to adapt to them rather than the other way around.
  - jacoblambda 10y ago
    I think the idea was that the message should be composed as one submission rather than a series of short comments strung together.
  - douche 10y ago
    Alternatively, if you're in one of those not-available states, most IM clients have some kind of facility to publish that availability...
    - cvs268 10y ago
      ...and often people still send me the "Are U busy?" message despite my status being busy. I've started using the "Do not disturb" option in my Office Communicator when am in important meetings. Using that option on the communicator makes it impossible for someone to send me a message. Any attempts explicitly fail on the sender's end with an error stating the obvious - The receiver has set "Do not Disturb"
gouggoug 10y ago
I am hugely frustrated by this as well. I often am interrupted by coworkers simply telling me "it doesn't work". Despite repeatably asking to be given more context from the get go, I am still regularly facing the "it doesn't work. dot. end of sentence.". My answer often ends up being a clearly annoyed "Yes and so...??" hinting my interlocutor that I'm expecting more, and quickly. This is unfortunate since my annoyance can now be felt by the coworker in question, and potentially other people in the room. This interaction happens as much in spoken conversation as it does in chats. To add insult to injury, often times the reason why "it doesn't work" is contained in an error message that wasn't carefully (if at all) read. I recently had to get up and go to the desk of one of my coworker telling me "it doesn't work". They were trying to connect to our MySQL server using a common macOS GUI client. Upon arriving at their desk I immediately knew what the problem was. I was baffled and frustrated that someone supposedly competent made me get up for this: "Unable to connect to host 172.20.0.100 because access was denied. Double-check your username and password and ensure that access from your current location is permitted. MySQL said: Access denied for user 'admin'@'172.20.0.1' (using password: YES)". I had to ask my coworker to read the message out loud, only then did he realize his mistake (it doesn't work, because the password is wrong...). Although this example is extreme, my day to day life is made of many, less extreme, instances of this kind of interaction that are wasting my time. A benign as it can seem, this contributes a lot to my stress and frustration.

endgame 10y ago

Nope, and there's http://nohello.com http://nohello.com to point people in the right direction.

PhasmaFelis 10y ago
> The same goes for "Hello -- Are you there?", "Hi Bob -- quick question.", "Do you have a sec ?", "yt?" and "ping". Just ask the question! Actually, I'd prefer that coworkers don't start blowing up my phone/PC with chat alert beeps for an extended question until they've confirmed that I'm not in a meeting/trying to concentrate/etc.
- notatoad 10y ago
  if you're in a meeting/trying to concentrate/etc, then why is your chat status still set to available?
  - somethingsright 10y ago
    Because I am available for certain questions. I am available for "quick" questions which only I would know the answer to, and for critical questions. I want to defer "easy" questions which the questioner can easily find the answer to, but is lazy or incompetent. In my role, I will get questions from downright simple "how do I reset my password", or was a certain move-to-production done; to some really critical ones, or, where others move on my go-ahead. The move-to-production query means different things based on who is asking. One person asks only because a end-user or their manager wants to know the status. Another person is asking that as a start of "we are seeing something strange in production" on a related functionality. So, I ignore the first person when actually busy, and attend to the second person right away always. Also, there are people change the status to 'busy' when they are not actually available, extended lunches and what-not. And there are more people who forget to reset their status to 'available'. So setting status to 'busy' is no guarantee that you will not get a ping. Or a phone-call.
    - notatoad 10y ago
      I still don't understand why you'd prefer a "hello" message in that context. If you're able to take quick questions but are working on something else, isn't it better to get the question in the initial message so you can decide if it's quick or deferable with minimal back and forth?
- icebraining 10y ago
  Why? Does your chat client beep differently for longer messages? As long as it all fits in a single message, what's the difference?
  - cvs268 10y ago
    i think the point was to avoid incessant beeping due to multiple short sentences. I have seen the embarrassment on people's faces when in a meeting and their IM app starts beeping like a time-bomb after someone has cut the wrong-wire. The sender sending a short 1 liner and waiting for acknowledgement before proceeding would prevent this. (results in a single beep if the receiver is busy) Its also avoided if the sender simply sends their entire query as a single message. (again results in a single beep if the receiver is busy and doesn't reply)
    - icebraining 10y ago
      In my opinion, that's a bug in most chat apps. Multiple messages in succession from the same sender should only beep once. But I realize most people use restrictive apps, so they have to adapt to them rather than the other way around.
- jacoblambda 10y ago
  I think the idea was that the message should be composed as one submission rather than a series of short comments strung together.
- douche 10y ago
  Alternatively, if you're in one of those not-available states, most IM clients have some kind of facility to publish that availability...
  - cvs268 10y ago
    ...and often people still send me the "Are U busy?" message despite my status being busy. I've started using the "Do not disturb" option in my Office Communicator when am in important meetings. Using that option on the communicator makes it impossible for someone to send me a message. Any attempts explicitly fail on the sender's end with an error stating the obvious - The receiver has set "Do not Disturb"

gouggoug 10y ago

I am hugely frustrated by this as well. I often am interrupted by coworkers simply telling me "it doesn't work". Despite repeatably asking to be given more context from the get go, I am still regularly facing the "it doesn't work. dot. end of sentence.". My answer often ends up being a clearly annoyed "Yes and so...??" hinting my interlocutor that I'm expecting more, and quickly. This is unfortunate since my annoyance can now be felt by the coworker in question, and potentially other people in the room. This interaction happens as much in spoken conversation as it does in chats. To add insult to injury, often times the reason why "it doesn't work" is contained in an error message that wasn't carefully (if at all) read. I recently had to get up and go to the desk of one of my coworker telling me "it doesn't work". They were trying to connect to our MySQL server using a common macOS GUI client. Upon arriving at their desk I immediately knew what the problem was. I was baffled and frustrated that someone supposedly competent made me get up for this: "Unable to connect to host 172.20.0.100 because access was denied. Double-check your username and password and ensure that access from your current location is permitted. MySQL said: Access denied for user 'admin'@'172.20.0.1' (using password: YES)". I had to ask my coworker to read the message out loud, only then did he realize his mistake (it doesn't work, because the password is wrong...). Although this example is extreme, my day to day life is made of many, less extreme, instances of this kind of interaction that are wasting my time. A benign as it can seem, this contributes a lot to my stress and frustration.