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The influx is the refugees fleeing the conflict. These are exactly the people that we want to support because they are peaceful and are not contributing to the

The influx is the refugees fleeing the conflict. These are exactly the people that we want to support because they are peaceful and are not contributing to the conflict. In those 90 days lives that could have been saved might be lost all because we have a moron in charge. Inaction is not acceptable and fighting this thing tooth and nail is the right thing to do because historical precedent says it only gets worse from here.

edblarney 10y ago
I agree with your sentiment. But 90 days will not put anyone's lives at risk. The 'waiting process' for most refugee claimants trying to enter the US is years. This idea you might have in your mind of 'people running from Aleppo with their luggage onto airplanes' - is just not how it works. Refugees to the US come mostly from refugee camps, where they have been living a long time. Also - the vast majority of Syrian refugees go elsewhere - as America (unfortunately) does not take on very many refugees, relatively speaking. In the end, there actually might be some process/security adjustments that need to be made. You know the 'no fly list' - that ridiculous 'name based' thing? If you have the same name as a jihadi - you can't fly! It's crazy - and also insecure. Who knows, maybe they'll fix that? I would urge people to keep the details in mind, and to keep things in perspective. If I thought people were going to be 'dying' over this, I'd be wailing. But they won't. It's just some temporary, crude regulation.
- tptacek 10y ago
  You keep writing as if this act applies only to refugees. That would be bad enough: empirically, virtually none of those refugees are threats to American citizens, and the evidence that those refugees are threatened in their home countries is unimpeachable. Our feckless policies with regards to refugees are a stain on our history and our standing in the world. But, of course, these policies do not simply apply to immigrants. So many green card holders have been stranded as a result of Trump's ill-considered, bigoted executive order that large companies are having to run war rooms to handle their stranded employees: see, for instance, Microsoft's all-hands announcement to their employees, 76 of whom are impacted by the order. You write both stridently and confidently about this issue, in several places on the thread, in some of your messages going so far as to chide other commenters for their thoughts on it. But you yourself do not seem well acquainted with it.
refurb 10y ago
These are exactly the people that we want to support because they are peaceful and are not contributing to the conflict. Do you not remember what happened and is happening in Europe with respect to refugees? Rapes and assaults by refugees? It's happened in Austria, Sweden, Germany, just to name a few off the top of my head.

edblarney 10y ago

I agree with your sentiment. But 90 days will not put anyone's lives at risk. The 'waiting process' for most refugee claimants trying to enter the US is years. This idea you might have in your mind of 'people running from Aleppo with their luggage onto airplanes' - is just not how it works. Refugees to the US come mostly from refugee camps, where they have been living a long time. Also - the vast majority of Syrian refugees go elsewhere - as America (unfortunately) does not take on very many refugees, relatively speaking. In the end, there actually might be some process/security adjustments that need to be made. You know the 'no fly list' - that ridiculous 'name based' thing? If you have the same name as a jihadi - you can't fly! It's crazy - and also insecure. Who knows, maybe they'll fix that? I would urge people to keep the details in mind, and to keep things in perspective. If I thought people were going to be 'dying' over this, I'd be wailing. But they won't. It's just some temporary, crude regulation.

tptacek 10y ago
You keep writing as if this act applies only to refugees. That would be bad enough: empirically, virtually none of those refugees are threats to American citizens, and the evidence that those refugees are threatened in their home countries is unimpeachable. Our feckless policies with regards to refugees are a stain on our history and our standing in the world. But, of course, these policies do not simply apply to immigrants. So many green card holders have been stranded as a result of Trump's ill-considered, bigoted executive order that large companies are having to run war rooms to handle their stranded employees: see, for instance, Microsoft's all-hands announcement to their employees, 76 of whom are impacted by the order. You write both stridently and confidently about this issue, in several places on the thread, in some of your messages going so far as to chide other commenters for their thoughts on it. But you yourself do not seem well acquainted with it.

refurb 10y ago

These are exactly the people that we want to support because they are peaceful and are not contributing to the conflict. Do you not remember what happened and is happening in Europe with respect to refugees? Rapes and assaults by refugees? It's happened in Austria, Sweden, Germany, just to name a few off the top of my head.