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I disagree. Would you be saying this if Pence wrote this post? I would imagine you'd call him out on his hypocrisy. More messengers are good only if they actual

by tabeth 10y ago

I disagree. Would you be saying this if Pence wrote this post? I would imagine you'd call him out on his hypocrisy. More messengers are good only if they actually believe what they're saying.

davidw 10y ago
You mean like this? https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/674249808610066433 https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/674249808610066433
- tabeth 10y ago
  Yup, that's exactly what I was referring to. I'm not sure what that has to do with "more messengers, the better", though.
  - davidw 10y ago
    If Pence wrote a post right now attacking this authoritarian move and explaining what he was going to do about it, I'd be very happy, actually.
Sivart13 10y ago
I would be perfectly happy for Pence to denounce this executive order, whatever he really believes. Somehow I doubt that's forthcoming.
skyfaller 10y ago
I'd have to say that it is situational. What we're really discussing here is the old proposition that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". If Pence denounced Trump's action and detailed what he was going to do about it, I would suspect his motives, and be concerned that he does not mean what he says, but this is a terrible policy that needs to stopped ASAP, and it's likely I would welcome Pence's help in this circumstance (while stating my reservations about him as a person and political actor). However, in many situations "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy still", and I might not consider the benefit of accepting Pence's help worth the cost of working with him.
wfo 10y ago
Yes? Of course? I'd be ecstatic that he's showing some backbone and thinks it's important to do the right thing? That someone is willing to check Trump's power when he does horrible, horrible things? If Pence wants to be right then I'll all for him being right even if it's only one time about only one thing -- that's better than nothing.
- tabeth 10y ago
  It'd be great if he [did something], not if he [said something]. I think we're in agreement that it'd be great if he stopped this. However, if he just said he was going to stop it, I wouldn't believe it until it's done.

by tabeth 10y ago

I disagree. Would you be saying this if Pence wrote this post? I would imagine you'd call him out on his hypocrisy. More messengers are good only if they actually believe what they're saying.

davidw 10y ago

You mean like this? https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/674249808610066433 https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/674249808610066433

tabeth 10y ago
Yup, that's exactly what I was referring to. I'm not sure what that has to do with "more messengers, the better", though.
- davidw 10y ago
  If Pence wrote a post right now attacking this authoritarian move and explaining what he was going to do about it, I'd be very happy, actually.

Sivart13 10y ago

I would be perfectly happy for Pence to denounce this executive order, whatever he really believes. Somehow I doubt that's forthcoming.

skyfaller 10y ago

I'd have to say that it is situational. What we're really discussing here is the old proposition that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". If Pence denounced Trump's action and detailed what he was going to do about it, I would suspect his motives, and be concerned that he does not mean what he says, but this is a terrible policy that needs to stopped ASAP, and it's likely I would welcome Pence's help in this circumstance (while stating my reservations about him as a person and political actor). However, in many situations "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy still", and I might not consider the benefit of accepting Pence's help worth the cost of working with him.

wfo 10y ago

Yes? Of course? I'd be ecstatic that he's showing some backbone and thinks it's important to do the right thing? That someone is willing to check Trump's power when he does horrible, horrible things? If Pence wants to be right then I'll all for him being right even if it's only one time about only one thing -- that's better than nothing.

tabeth 10y ago
It'd be great if he [did something], not if he [said something]. I think we're in agreement that it'd be great if he stopped this. However, if he just said he was going to stop it, I wouldn't believe it until it's done.