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Even citizens can be prevented from coming back. It happened a few times during GWB's reign.

by 1024core 10y ago

differentView 10y ago
Who was blocked from coming back under Bush?
- saalweachter 10y ago
  I can't remember the name off the top of my head but I recall a famous "no fly list" story about someone who was prohibited from returning to the US because their name was a potential misspelling of a suspected terrorist's name.
  - michaelchisari 10y ago
    I hate to be obtuse, but this is much more comprehensive. A "no fly list" at least gives you the option of traveling by sea, or flying into Canada or Mexico and coming in through the border. Horribly inconvenient, but not a blanket ban.
    - waqf 10y ago
      > traveling by sea [from another continent] If you have thousands of dollars and a week or two to waste. > Canada or Mexico If you can get a visa for those places. Both of your ideas are things I, as an affluent Westerner, would try if the US government stuck me on a no-fly list, but for the people targeted they may simply not be possible.
      - michaelchisari 10y ago
        Like I said, Horribly inconvenient, but not a blanket ban.
  - mjg59 10y ago
    The book fly list restricted people flying to the US, it didn't block entry to people who arrived via other means.
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  - mistersquid 10y ago
    I, too, remember this happening and being reported, maybe the NYTimes. I'm having trouble finding dates for some of these cases and none seem to have happened while GWB was POTUS. But here are a few links involving US citizens whose ability to travel into and out of the US were curtailed. None of the following links are the case I remember, which involved an American who was a father (from NY?) and who had been stranded from his family in the US. • U.S. Veterans Stranded Overseas|Challenge No-Fly ‘Terror’ List [0] • ACLU challenges constitutionality of no-fly list [1] • No-fly list grounds another San Diegan [2] • How a Young American Escaped the No-Fly List [3] [0] http://courthousenews.com/u-s-veterans-stranded-overseaschallenge-no-fly-terror-list/ http://courthousenews.com/u-s-veterans-stranded-overseaschal... [1] https://www.publicintegrity.org/2010/06/30/2631/aclu-challenges-constitutionality-no-fly-list https://www.publicintegrity.org/2010/06/30/2631/aclu-challen... [2] http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/watchdog/sdut-no-fly-list-grounds-another-san-diegan-2012jul02-htmlstory.html http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/watchdog/sdut-no-fl... [3] https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21/how-a-young-american-escaped-the-no-fly-list/ https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21/how-a-young-american-esc... EDIT: formatting
waqf 10y ago
Not to defend anything that's currently going on, but you have to consider the possibility of a dispute at the border over whether someone is a citizen or not. Honestly, this is why I don't complain very much about biometrics and databases, because the realistic alternative (potentially being detained at the border while they try to guess whether your passport is forged/altered/stolen) is much worse.

Even citizens can be prevented from coming back. It happened a few times during GWB's reign.

differentView 10y ago

Who was blocked from coming back under Bush?

saalweachter 10y ago
I can't remember the name off the top of my head but I recall a famous "no fly list" story about someone who was prohibited from returning to the US because their name was a potential misspelling of a suspected terrorist's name.
- michaelchisari 10y ago
  I hate to be obtuse, but this is much more comprehensive. A "no fly list" at least gives you the option of traveling by sea, or flying into Canada or Mexico and coming in through the border. Horribly inconvenient, but not a blanket ban.
  - waqf 10y ago
    > traveling by sea [from another continent] If you have thousands of dollars and a week or two to waste. > Canada or Mexico If you can get a visa for those places. Both of your ideas are things I, as an affluent Westerner, would try if the US government stuck me on a no-fly list, but for the people targeted they may simply not be possible.
    - michaelchisari 10y ago
      Like I said, Horribly inconvenient, but not a blanket ban.
- mjg59 10y ago
  The book fly list restricted people flying to the US, it didn't block entry to people who arrived via other means.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
- mistersquid 10y ago
  I, too, remember this happening and being reported, maybe the NYTimes. I'm having trouble finding dates for some of these cases and none seem to have happened while GWB was POTUS. But here are a few links involving US citizens whose ability to travel into and out of the US were curtailed. None of the following links are the case I remember, which involved an American who was a father (from NY?) and who had been stranded from his family in the US. • U.S. Veterans Stranded Overseas|Challenge No-Fly ‘Terror’ List [0] • ACLU challenges constitutionality of no-fly list [1] • No-fly list grounds another San Diegan [2] • How a Young American Escaped the No-Fly List [3] [0] http://courthousenews.com/u-s-veterans-stranded-overseaschallenge-no-fly-terror-list/ http://courthousenews.com/u-s-veterans-stranded-overseaschal... [1] https://www.publicintegrity.org/2010/06/30/2631/aclu-challenges-constitutionality-no-fly-list https://www.publicintegrity.org/2010/06/30/2631/aclu-challen... [2] http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/watchdog/sdut-no-fly-list-grounds-another-san-diegan-2012jul02-htmlstory.html http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/watchdog/sdut-no-fl... [3] https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21/how-a-young-american-escaped-the-no-fly-list/ https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21/how-a-young-american-esc... EDIT: formatting

waqf 10y ago

Not to defend anything that's currently going on, but you have to consider the possibility of a dispute at the border over whether someone is a citizen or not. Honestly, this is why I don't complain very much about biometrics and databases, because the realistic alternative (potentially being detained at the border while they try to guess whether your passport is forged/altered/stolen) is much worse.