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It's really hypocritical that you only start noticing this happening now. The same has happened under Obama. I have a friend who was denied going back to Univer

by cpcat 10y ago

It's really hypocritical that you only start noticing this happening now. The same has happened under Obama. I have a friend who was denied going back to University of Chicago last year https://www.facebook.com/ridakoon/posts/10158098402210427?pnref=story https://www.facebook.com/ridakoon/posts/10158098402210427?pn...

refurb 10y ago
Yes, but Obama was on our side, so certain things can be overlooked for the greater good.
- facetube 10y ago
  False equivalence. Obama did not ban a country or religion wholesale. This is a substantial and disturbing step in the reckless anti-fact, anti-science, anti-truth administration of Donald John Trump.
  - refurb 10y ago
    False equivalence. I never stated their were equivalent, but the silence pre-Trump about immigration issues was deafening.
    - facetube 10y ago
      Which immigration issues specifically? The net migration to Mexico is an outflow, and the US continues to have one of the longest and most extensive refugee/asylum vetting processes in the world. What specifically should change?
    - enraged_camel 10y ago
      If you think there was silence about immigration issues pre-Trump, you simply were not listening. But yes, the current situation is several orders of magnitude worse, if you simply measure the number of people affected. Therefore, people's will be much more vocal.
mikeash 10y ago
Individual injustices are not new. Wholesale bans of everyone from certain countries are. Both are bad, both deserve to be fought, but they are on completely different levels.
- erichocean 10y ago
  > Wholesale bans of everyone from certain countries are. The actual 120 day ban is bad enough, there's no reason to lie about it. People with green cards/existing visas need to be re-approved, they're not "banned". There's no intention AFAICT to keep people who should be in the US out of the US. FFS people, Trump needs actual opposition, not knee-jerk virtue signaling, hyperbole, and hashtag protests!
  - mikeash 10y ago
    All those people being detained in Customs facilities at airports across the country must really be comforted that the intent isn't to keep anyone out who should be here. You can say that, but I don't believe it. And you're not going to shut down my legitimate outrage and distress by pretending like it's not sincere.
  - justin66 10y ago
    > People with green cards/existing visas need to be re-approved, they're not "banned". A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order, and it sounds like the administration is backpedaling as well, but it's important to note that in the mean time some people with a (previously) legal right to enter the US were turned away because of Trump's recent executive order. https://www.propublica.org/article/cleveland-clinic-doctor-forced-to-leave-country-after-trump-order https://www.propublica.org/article/cleveland-clinic-doctor-f... I guess the tl;dr for that article is “She’s not going to be able to get a visa for at least 90 days” Careers are sometimes fragile and international flights are expensive. It's not as if none of this idiocy matters. > FFS people, Trump needs actual opposition, not knee-jerk virtue signaling, hyperbole, and hashtag protests! This is a deeply stupid comment.
    - 10y ago

by cpcat 10y ago

refurb 10y ago

Yes, but Obama was on our side, so certain things can be overlooked for the greater good.

facetube 10y ago
False equivalence. Obama did not ban a country or religion wholesale. This is a substantial and disturbing step in the reckless anti-fact, anti-science, anti-truth administration of Donald John Trump.
- refurb 10y ago
  False equivalence. I never stated their were equivalent, but the silence pre-Trump about immigration issues was deafening.
  - facetube 10y ago
    Which immigration issues specifically? The net migration to Mexico is an outflow, and the US continues to have one of the longest and most extensive refugee/asylum vetting processes in the world. What specifically should change?
  - enraged_camel 10y ago
    If you think there was silence about immigration issues pre-Trump, you simply were not listening. But yes, the current situation is several orders of magnitude worse, if you simply measure the number of people affected. Therefore, people's will be much more vocal.

mikeash 10y ago

Individual injustices are not new. Wholesale bans of everyone from certain countries are. Both are bad, both deserve to be fought, but they are on completely different levels.

erichocean 10y ago
> Wholesale bans of everyone from certain countries are. The actual 120 day ban is bad enough, there's no reason to lie about it. People with green cards/existing visas need to be re-approved, they're not "banned". There's no intention AFAICT to keep people who should be in the US out of the US. FFS people, Trump needs actual opposition, not knee-jerk virtue signaling, hyperbole, and hashtag protests!
- mikeash 10y ago
  All those people being detained in Customs facilities at airports across the country must really be comforted that the intent isn't to keep anyone out who should be here. You can say that, but I don't believe it. And you're not going to shut down my legitimate outrage and distress by pretending like it's not sincere.
- justin66 10y ago
  > People with green cards/existing visas need to be re-approved, they're not "banned". A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order, and it sounds like the administration is backpedaling as well, but it's important to note that in the mean time some people with a (previously) legal right to enter the US were turned away because of Trump's recent executive order. https://www.propublica.org/article/cleveland-clinic-doctor-forced-to-leave-country-after-trump-order https://www.propublica.org/article/cleveland-clinic-doctor-f... I guess the tl;dr for that article is “She’s not going to be able to get a visa for at least 90 days” Careers are sometimes fragile and international flights are expensive. It's not as if none of this idiocy matters. > FFS people, Trump needs actual opposition, not knee-jerk virtue signaling, hyperbole, and hashtag protests! This is a deeply stupid comment.
  - 10y ago