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Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816 https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/8254384602

by lazyant 10y ago

Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816 https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816

crispinb 10y ago
Will your brave PM institute any sanctions against the US? Tweets are cheap as.
- vacri 10y ago
  Sanctions because... ?
  - crispinb 10y ago
    Attacks on Canadian dual citizens; attacks on the international order for dealing with refugees.
lucb1e 10y ago
> Proud to be $nationality I can't say I'm not proud of the Netherlands, but in this context... isn't this a big source of much evil? Us versus them? Ours vs. not ours?
- concinds 10y ago
  There is nothing wrong with healthy pride (compared to egotistical pride). We all have things to be grateful for, hopeful about, and proud of, and that has never hurt anyone. Lack of healthy pride in oneself, one's identity and one's values is a sign of low self-esteem, a great source of suffering in the world. Black and white thinking on pride leads to fuzzy thinking and bad conclusions.
  - lucb1e 10y ago
    I agree, it's just that it's difficult to tell where the line is between a healthy self esteem about one's identity and it turning into an us vs them thing. In this thread, this comment might have turned into a discussion about the latter - or so I was afraid.
camus2 10y ago
> Proud to be Canadian, I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place?
- cpncrunch 10y ago
  >I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place? I have no idea how you equate him saying "Canadians will welcome you" with chauvanism. And if you're referring to Justin getting his shirt off, that isn't what chauvanism means. (He is actually the exact opposite of the definition of chauvanism).
  - camus2 10y ago
    > him saying "Canadians will welcome you" He didn't say that, I quoted what he said. There is no need to be proud of anything, like a nationality would make someone "more virtuous" and people from other nationalities would be defacto "less virtuous". That's chauvinism.
    - cpncrunch 10y ago
      >He didn't say that, I quoted what he said. I was quoting what Justin said. I see you were talking about the OP instead. >like a nationality would make someone "more virtuous" and people from other nationalities would be defacto "less virtuous" Being part of a nation that welcomes people seems a good reason to be proud.
- lazyant 10y ago
  you have a (small but valid) point
refurb 10y ago
Looks like he has it under control.... McCullom reassures Canadian women: low risk for sexual assaults by Syrian refugees[1] [1]http://en.cijnews.com/?p=19452 http://en.cijnews.com/?p=19452
titomc 10y ago
Proud to be a permanent resident of Canada now. I left US (H1B visa) some months back.
- erichocean 10y ago
  You don't need a visa (H1B or otherwise), the Canadian border is just like the US border with Mexico: open. Anyone can migrate to Canada from the US, just walk across (or drive on up). If "caught", they won't send you back to the US (or wherever). You can get a job, get (free) healthcare, a driver's license, the works—you don't need documentation at all (or can fake it, just like in the US). Why people migrating from Mexico stop in the US is beyond me—Canada has a way better policy towards immigrants, they love undocumented workers! Canada even has sanctuary cities (like Toronto), and unlike the US, Trudeau isn't attacking them, he's praising them! Canada completely rocks when it comes to immigration policy and is exactly how globalism in the US should be: welcome everyone, from anywhere—no papers, no problem! We're all people after all.
  - slededit 10y ago
    Canada has immigration and laws and will deport people. They aren't particularly fast or efficient about it, but don't spread false rumors that you don't need a Visa to live here. Further for off-continent arrivals the information is shared with the US in exchange for lesser restrictions at the US/Canada land border. Undocumented workers specifically are a problem not because we don't want immigration - but because they are at risk of abuse by their employer.
    - erichocean 10y ago
      > Canada has immigration and laws and will deport people. Eh, technically, yes. But like anti-sodomy laws in many states in the US, they are rarely applied. Canada does not have a problem with immigration, "legal" or otherwise, no matter what the "laws" say. Open borders is a human rights issue and Canada is on the right side of history. They do not preference their own citizens over other people, just because of where they were born or what nationality they are. Canada is compassionate to all people and a model for the United States. > Undocumented workers specifically are a problem not because we don't want immigration - but because they are at risk of abuse by their employer. Agreed, that's why I suggested undocumented immigrants just forge their papers; that's how it's done in the US and at least in California, works pretty well and tends to keep employers more honest. Ideally Canada should just automatically give any undocumented worker (and their family) whatever papers/status necessary to make their de facto immigration to Canada legal, so they can stop being abused by their employer (and anyone else). Perhaps by setting up a center or something that undocumented workers can go to to get legal sanction. (California does something similar—anyone can get a valid drivers license here without any gov't papers.) In fact, Canada not already just giving undocumented workers full rights and legal papers could reasonably be considered to be a human rights violation, since by not doing so, they are enabling inevitable abuse by Canadian employers. Same with visa grants, Canada IMO should just abolish visas entirely and let anyone who can get to Canada in, with full papers on arrival. It's probably some shit arrangement with the US gov't that's preventing them from doing so, now that I think about it. I'm sure that over time, Canada will repeal all laws preventing foreigners from immigrating to Canada, establishing quotas, wait-lists, or anything else that takes away anyone's right to immigrate to Canada if they want to. Maybe even faster now that Trump is pissing everyone off in the US. Like ending slavery, fully unrestricted open borders can't come soon enough. Future generations will judge us accordingly that we did not do so sooner, and at least Canada is on the right side of history, even if their laws have to catch up a bit to their hearts.
alva 10y ago
Just not if you are a single male from Syria https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-refugee-resettlement-plan-no-single-men https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-... Or even if a member of your immigrate family has Autism, from anywhere in the world, due to the financial burden to the healthcare system. Where is the outrage over THAT? But of course platitudes are dished out that give the appearance of openness. That is obviously the only thing that matters in these cases, for the leaders to give the public a warm, fuzzy, general statement whilst doing the exact opposite. There is a huge amount of sanctimonious talk coming out of other leaders and the public at the moment. People do not seem to be aware just how restrictive most country's immigration policies are. This is all getting lost in the Trump hate.

by lazyant 10y ago

Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816 https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816

crispinb 10y ago

Will your brave PM institute any sanctions against the US? Tweets are cheap as.

vacri 10y ago
Sanctions because... ?
- crispinb 10y ago
  Attacks on Canadian dual citizens; attacks on the international order for dealing with refugees.

lucb1e 10y ago

> Proud to be $nationality I can't say I'm not proud of the Netherlands, but in this context... isn't this a big source of much evil? Us versus them? Ours vs. not ours?

concinds 10y ago
There is nothing wrong with healthy pride (compared to egotistical pride). We all have things to be grateful for, hopeful about, and proud of, and that has never hurt anyone. Lack of healthy pride in oneself, one's identity and one's values is a sign of low self-esteem, a great source of suffering in the world. Black and white thinking on pride leads to fuzzy thinking and bad conclusions.
- lucb1e 10y ago
  I agree, it's just that it's difficult to tell where the line is between a healthy self esteem about one's identity and it turning into an us vs them thing. In this thread, this comment might have turned into a discussion about the latter - or so I was afraid.

camus2 10y ago

> Proud to be Canadian, I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place?

cpncrunch 10y ago
>I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place? I have no idea how you equate him saying "Canadians will welcome you" with chauvanism. And if you're referring to Justin getting his shirt off, that isn't what chauvanism means. (He is actually the exact opposite of the definition of chauvanism).
- camus2 10y ago
  > him saying "Canadians will welcome you" He didn't say that, I quoted what he said. There is no need to be proud of anything, like a nationality would make someone "more virtuous" and people from other nationalities would be defacto "less virtuous". That's chauvinism.
  - cpncrunch 10y ago
    >He didn't say that, I quoted what he said. I was quoting what Justin said. I see you were talking about the OP instead. >like a nationality would make someone "more virtuous" and people from other nationalities would be defacto "less virtuous" Being part of a nation that welcomes people seems a good reason to be proud.
lazyant 10y ago
you have a (small but valid) point

refurb 10y ago

Looks like he has it under control.... McCullom reassures Canadian women: low risk for sexual assaults by Syrian refugees[1] [1]http://en.cijnews.com/?p=19452 http://en.cijnews.com/?p=19452

titomc 10y ago

Proud to be a permanent resident of Canada now. I left US (H1B visa) some months back.

erichocean 10y ago
You don't need a visa (H1B or otherwise), the Canadian border is just like the US border with Mexico: open. Anyone can migrate to Canada from the US, just walk across (or drive on up). If "caught", they won't send you back to the US (or wherever). You can get a job, get (free) healthcare, a driver's license, the works—you don't need documentation at all (or can fake it, just like in the US). Why people migrating from Mexico stop in the US is beyond me—Canada has a way better policy towards immigrants, they love undocumented workers! Canada even has sanctuary cities (like Toronto), and unlike the US, Trudeau isn't attacking them, he's praising them! Canada completely rocks when it comes to immigration policy and is exactly how globalism in the US should be: welcome everyone, from anywhere—no papers, no problem! We're all people after all.
- slededit 10y ago
  Canada has immigration and laws and will deport people. They aren't particularly fast or efficient about it, but don't spread false rumors that you don't need a Visa to live here. Further for off-continent arrivals the information is shared with the US in exchange for lesser restrictions at the US/Canada land border. Undocumented workers specifically are a problem not because we don't want immigration - but because they are at risk of abuse by their employer.
  - erichocean 10y ago
    > Canada has immigration and laws and will deport people. Eh, technically, yes. But like anti-sodomy laws in many states in the US, they are rarely applied. Canada does not have a problem with immigration, "legal" or otherwise, no matter what the "laws" say. Open borders is a human rights issue and Canada is on the right side of history. They do not preference their own citizens over other people, just because of where they were born or what nationality they are. Canada is compassionate to all people and a model for the United States. > Undocumented workers specifically are a problem not because we don't want immigration - but because they are at risk of abuse by their employer. Agreed, that's why I suggested undocumented immigrants just forge their papers; that's how it's done in the US and at least in California, works pretty well and tends to keep employers more honest. Ideally Canada should just automatically give any undocumented worker (and their family) whatever papers/status necessary to make their de facto immigration to Canada legal, so they can stop being abused by their employer (and anyone else). Perhaps by setting up a center or something that undocumented workers can go to to get legal sanction. (California does something similar—anyone can get a valid drivers license here without any gov't papers.) In fact, Canada not already just giving undocumented workers full rights and legal papers could reasonably be considered to be a human rights violation, since by not doing so, they are enabling inevitable abuse by Canadian employers. Same with visa grants, Canada IMO should just abolish visas entirely and let anyone who can get to Canada in, with full papers on arrival. It's probably some shit arrangement with the US gov't that's preventing them from doing so, now that I think about it. I'm sure that over time, Canada will repeal all laws preventing foreigners from immigrating to Canada, establishing quotas, wait-lists, or anything else that takes away anyone's right to immigrate to Canada if they want to. Maybe even faster now that Trump is pissing everyone off in the US. Like ending slavery, fully unrestricted open borders can't come soon enough. Future generations will judge us accordingly that we did not do so sooner, and at least Canada is on the right side of history, even if their laws have to catch up a bit to their hearts.

alva 10y ago

Just not if you are a single male from Syria https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-refugee-resettlement-plan-no-single-men https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-... Or even if a member of your immigrate family has Autism, from anywhere in the world, due to the financial burden to the healthcare system. Where is the outrage over THAT? But of course platitudes are dished out that give the appearance of openness. That is obviously the only thing that matters in these cases, for the leaders to give the public a warm, fuzzy, general statement whilst doing the exact opposite. There is a huge amount of sanctimonious talk coming out of other leaders and the public at the moment. People do not seem to be aware just how restrictive most country's immigration policies are. This is all getting lost in the Trump hate.