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What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only t

What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only to be told they can't come home.

freewill_ 10y ago
To me that's not an immigration ban then, it's a race ban.
tehlike 10y ago
This. I am from Turkey, and i will be nervous every passing day from yesterday on, watching news to see if Turkey is added to the list. I am still years away from naturalization, and it saddens me to think about relocating, after having left where i was born for a better and productive life. Nobody chooses their birthplace, but these are the people that decided to make a change, and in a way that historically benefited the us.
- joatmon-snoo 10y ago
  You're safe. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ba... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Towers_Istanbul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Towers_Istanbul
  - DavidSJ 10y ago
    He's safe now. Who knows about next week?
    - selectodude 10y ago
      You think Donald will sell his stake in projects in Turkey?
      - geofft 10y ago
        What happens when some terrorist group makes the extremely tactically-obvious decision to attack the Trump Towers there? It's not like there's any shortage of US-hostile terrorists with the ability to reach Istanbul. (Honestly, what happens when any Trump property around the world gets attacked? They've got giant signs advertising that the president of the US cares about them, and they don't have anywhere near the protection that US soil does.)
        _audakel 10y ago
        Tbh I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. All the countries that dislike him/US && have Trump property.... Seems like those are easy targets especially considering how sensitive he is to his brand image it would make the attacks all the more alluring.
        appleiigs 10y ago
        Yeah, I wonder. Is the President allowed to send troops to protect his personal property or investments?
        gotchange 10y ago
        Would sovereign nations like Turkey accommodate such requests that hurt their sovereignty and open them to public outrage and probably civil unrest? I don't think so.
        tehlike 10y ago
        It could be anything, right? The political environment in Turkey itself is not stable (hasn't been for quite some time now). There have also been multiple bombings in the country that citizens lost track of, and it became an ordinary part of life. I don't want to speculate on how Trump might behave when it comes to his business now that he's the POTUS, but even without that, there are enough reasons for him to add Turkey to the list. I think one of the few reasons it hasn't happened yet is probably because Incirlik base, but it's also been a long tension point between two countries. Selfishly, I was hoping greencard holders would be exempt, and thinking we already go through thorough background check as part of the application, but it turned out futile.
- warbiscuit 10y ago
  What makes Donald Trump's action so sickenly selfish is that a better life is why his grandfather Friedrich Drumpf immigrated from Bavaria. Though one could argue 3 generations later that act of immigration is not benefitting the US.
  - 234dd57d2c8db 10y ago
    I don't see many Bavarian terrorists shooting up nightclubs or beheading innocent people. We are at war, not everyone can be trusted, sorry.
  - mertd 10y ago
    Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.
    - warbiscuit 10y ago
      Actually, per a snopes article (http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf), the Drumpf to Trump transition may have occurred because the former was more German sounding, and there was a good bit of anti-german hatred at the time.
      - infinite8s 10y ago
        This is what all the anti-immigration people don't get. Chances are, when their ancestors came to this country they likely weren't wanted by the current residents. Basically every American racial/cultural slur you can think of arose during the time when that group was the majority immigrant group. Every group was discriminated against (Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese/Japanese).
    - jmorphy88 10y ago
      So what? America's history is overwhelmingly white and Christian. The vast majority of immigration to the US has been from white, Christian nations, even more so at the time when the Statue of Liberty was erected. Is the US a nation of Yemeni immigrants? It's silly to simply treat all potential immigrants as if they are the same. Also, it's disingenuous to reference the Statue of Liberty as some kind of justification for unlimited immigration from all nations of the world. The USA is not a dumping ground for the world's poor.
powertower 10y ago
Overall, I don't see this as such a bad thing... But every major decision is going to have its outliers. This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens such as visitors, students, or employment visas holders - from leaving the country and coming back, and there seems to be a waiver process to help them. They already have something like a 7 month backlog of applicants to process. 90 days is going to give them a chance to catch up and look for ways to improve the situation... Such as getting the "Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs" part of the order up and running.
- Pharylon 10y ago
  Not all permanent residents are citizens. Also, it looks like it'll be made permanent unless that country can guarantee that every single person isn't a terrorist. Which seems impossible.
- dannyobrien 10y ago
  Permanent residents are non-citizens. That's what it means.
- denzil_correa 10y ago
  > This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens. The EO affects ALL legal immigrants from these countries like H1B visa holders and Green Card holders too.
  - etimberg 10y ago
    Looks like it also affects dual citizens of those countries as well. per http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512
finid 10y ago
At this rate naturalized citizens will be next. And just remember that the US govt can already lock forever on terrorism charges.
- joering2 10y ago
  Yes thanks to Obama orders, citizens in time of war OR NOT, outside of US soil, OR ON IT! The only recently new things is a guys in Washington recklessly driving car while DUI that is being officially called terrorist. Next coming: jaywalking might be terrorism too.
  - finid 10y ago
    That law predated Obama.
tehlike 10y ago
There is some light at the end of tunnel, but the news still requires some verification. Greencard holders will require additional screening at an embassy/consulate before they are allowed entering to usa. https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN15C0KX https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/id...

What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only to be told they can't come home.

freewill_ 10y ago

To me that's not an immigration ban then, it's a race ban.

tehlike 10y ago

This. I am from Turkey, and i will be nervous every passing day from yesterday on, watching news to see if Turkey is added to the list. I am still years away from naturalization, and it saddens me to think about relocating, after having left where i was born for a better and productive life. Nobody chooses their birthplace, but these are the people that decided to make a change, and in a way that historically benefited the us.

joatmon-snoo 10y ago
You're safe. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ba... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Towers_Istanbul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Towers_Istanbul
- DavidSJ 10y ago
  He's safe now. Who knows about next week?
  - selectodude 10y ago
    You think Donald will sell his stake in projects in Turkey?
    - geofft 10y ago
      What happens when some terrorist group makes the extremely tactically-obvious decision to attack the Trump Towers there? It's not like there's any shortage of US-hostile terrorists with the ability to reach Istanbul. (Honestly, what happens when any Trump property around the world gets attacked? They've got giant signs advertising that the president of the US cares about them, and they don't have anywhere near the protection that US soil does.)
      - _audakel 10y ago
        Tbh I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. All the countries that dislike him/US && have Trump property.... Seems like those are easy targets especially considering how sensitive he is to his brand image it would make the attacks all the more alluring.
      - appleiigs 10y ago
        Yeah, I wonder. Is the President allowed to send troops to protect his personal property or investments?
        gotchange 10y ago
        Would sovereign nations like Turkey accommodate such requests that hurt their sovereignty and open them to public outrage and probably civil unrest? I don't think so.
      - tehlike 10y ago
        It could be anything, right? The political environment in Turkey itself is not stable (hasn't been for quite some time now). There have also been multiple bombings in the country that citizens lost track of, and it became an ordinary part of life. I don't want to speculate on how Trump might behave when it comes to his business now that he's the POTUS, but even without that, there are enough reasons for him to add Turkey to the list. I think one of the few reasons it hasn't happened yet is probably because Incirlik base, but it's also been a long tension point between two countries. Selfishly, I was hoping greencard holders would be exempt, and thinking we already go through thorough background check as part of the application, but it turned out futile.
warbiscuit 10y ago
What makes Donald Trump's action so sickenly selfish is that a better life is why his grandfather Friedrich Drumpf immigrated from Bavaria. Though one could argue 3 generations later that act of immigration is not benefitting the US.
- 234dd57d2c8db 10y ago
  I don't see many Bavarian terrorists shooting up nightclubs or beheading innocent people. We are at war, not everyone can be trusted, sorry.
- mertd 10y ago
  Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.
  - warbiscuit 10y ago
    Actually, per a snopes article (http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf), the Drumpf to Trump transition may have occurred because the former was more German sounding, and there was a good bit of anti-german hatred at the time.
    - infinite8s 10y ago
      This is what all the anti-immigration people don't get. Chances are, when their ancestors came to this country they likely weren't wanted by the current residents. Basically every American racial/cultural slur you can think of arose during the time when that group was the majority immigrant group. Every group was discriminated against (Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese/Japanese).
  - jmorphy88 10y ago
    So what? America's history is overwhelmingly white and Christian. The vast majority of immigration to the US has been from white, Christian nations, even more so at the time when the Statue of Liberty was erected. Is the US a nation of Yemeni immigrants? It's silly to simply treat all potential immigrants as if they are the same. Also, it's disingenuous to reference the Statue of Liberty as some kind of justification for unlimited immigration from all nations of the world. The USA is not a dumping ground for the world's poor.

powertower 10y ago

Overall, I don't see this as such a bad thing... But every major decision is going to have its outliers. This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens such as visitors, students, or employment visas holders - from leaving the country and coming back, and there seems to be a waiver process to help them. They already have something like a 7 month backlog of applicants to process. 90 days is going to give them a chance to catch up and look for ways to improve the situation... Such as getting the "Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs" part of the order up and running.

Pharylon 10y ago
Not all permanent residents are citizens. Also, it looks like it'll be made permanent unless that country can guarantee that every single person isn't a terrorist. Which seems impossible.
dannyobrien 10y ago
Permanent residents are non-citizens. That's what it means.
denzil_correa 10y ago
> This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens. The EO affects ALL legal immigrants from these countries like H1B visa holders and Green Card holders too.
- etimberg 10y ago
  Looks like it also affects dual citizens of those countries as well. per http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512

finid 10y ago

At this rate naturalized citizens will be next. And just remember that the US govt can already lock forever on terrorism charges.

joering2 10y ago
Yes thanks to Obama orders, citizens in time of war OR NOT, outside of US soil, OR ON IT! The only recently new things is a guys in Washington recklessly driving car while DUI that is being officially called terrorist. Next coming: jaywalking might be terrorism too.
- finid 10y ago
  That law predated Obama.

tehlike 10y ago

There is some light at the end of tunnel, but the news still requires some verification. Greencard holders will require additional screening at an embassy/consulate before they are allowed entering to usa. https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN15C0KX https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/id...