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This is a de facto Muslim ban dressed up enough to make it constitutional. Please don't well-actually right now.

by idlewords 10y ago

ihsw 10y ago
Then why are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, UAE, and Malaysia missing from this list? Serious question.
- chinathrow 10y ago
  Because the buy a shitload amount of weapons from the US.
  - guildwriter 10y ago
    It's not that simple. "In the realm of extremist Islam, the Saudis are “both the arsonists and the firefighters,” said William McCants, a Brookings Institution scholar. “They promote a very toxic form of Islam that draws sharp lines between a small number of true believers and everyone else, Muslim and non-Muslim,” he said, providing ideological fodder for violent jihadists. Yet at the same time, “they’re our partners in counterterrorism,” said Mr. McCants, one of three dozen academics, government officials and experts on Islam from multiple countries interviewed for this article. Saudi leaders seek good relations with the West and see jihadist violence as a menace that could endanger their rule, especially now that the Islamic State is staging attacks in the kingdom — 25 in the last eight months, by the government’s count. But they are also driven by their rivalry with Iran, and they depend for legitimacy on a clerical establishment dedicated to a reactionary set of beliefs. Those conflicting goals can play out in a bafflingly inconsistent manner." https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-ar...
- MisterBastahrd 10y ago
  Because he's got business interests in those countries.
general_ai 10y ago
200 million from 7 countries temporarily suspended. 1.3 billion from the remaining 189 -- unaffected. Tell me again how this is a blanket Muslim ban?
pyb 10y ago
I wouldn't call it that. But what this is, is Trump is testing the waters for a more extensive Muslim ban in the near future.

This is a de facto Muslim ban dressed up enough to make it constitutional. Please don't well-actually right now.

ihsw 10y ago

Then why are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, UAE, and Malaysia missing from this list? Serious question.

chinathrow 10y ago
Because the buy a shitload amount of weapons from the US.
- guildwriter 10y ago
  It's not that simple. "In the realm of extremist Islam, the Saudis are “both the arsonists and the firefighters,” said William McCants, a Brookings Institution scholar. “They promote a very toxic form of Islam that draws sharp lines between a small number of true believers and everyone else, Muslim and non-Muslim,” he said, providing ideological fodder for violent jihadists. Yet at the same time, “they’re our partners in counterterrorism,” said Mr. McCants, one of three dozen academics, government officials and experts on Islam from multiple countries interviewed for this article. Saudi leaders seek good relations with the West and see jihadist violence as a menace that could endanger their rule, especially now that the Islamic State is staging attacks in the kingdom — 25 in the last eight months, by the government’s count. But they are also driven by their rivalry with Iran, and they depend for legitimacy on a clerical establishment dedicated to a reactionary set of beliefs. Those conflicting goals can play out in a bafflingly inconsistent manner." https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-ar...
MisterBastahrd 10y ago
Because he's got business interests in those countries.

general_ai 10y ago

200 million from 7 countries temporarily suspended. 1.3 billion from the remaining 189 -- unaffected. Tell me again how this is a blanket Muslim ban?

pyb 10y ago

I wouldn't call it that. But what this is, is Trump is testing the waters for a more extensive Muslim ban in the near future.