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I voted for Trump, and am very happy with the ban- I don't see the benefit of bringing in Muslim refugees.

• lucb1e 10y ago
  I like to see this opposing voice here. Discussion is good. Please though, don't use a throwaway: it makes me think you're a government person or bot.
  • ebfd 10y ago
    Not a throwaway, just a coincidental new account. Your suspicion is obviously justified- I'll be on the lookout for posts about symbolic execution research to build credibility on.
  • stale2002 10y ago
    Uhhhh, bad things happen to people who publicly support trump in liberal bastions. A throwaway account is perfectly reasonable. I cannot count the number of times I hear supposedly tolerant people yell "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences." Where the consequences is usually violence. But thats OK, because it is not the government doing the violence. Being coy about being a Trump supporter is a necessary precaution.
    • Retra 10y ago
      That's because they are tolerant towards personal choices, not political ones. There's a big difference, and sticking them in the same bucket so you can shout 'hypocrisy' doesn't constitute a useful analysis.
    • grzm 10y ago
      There are plenty of voices of all different political persuasions here on HN (and some in each group feels they're in the persecuted minority). I don't think your parent is suggesting that they need to connect their HN account with their true identity. It is useful, however, to maintain a relatively consistent, if pseudonymous, account as that benefits the HN community as a whole.
  • ihsw 10y ago
    It sounds like you're interested in targeting him for harassment. This is why I'm considering closing all of my social media accounts even remotely linked to my real identity -- reprisal is a very real threat.
    • lucb1e 10y ago
      Unlinking nicks from your real identity is fine, but for example the user I'm using is fairly verifiable not to be a government account. There's way too much effort and original content in my account. Or if I'm a government bot (it's still possible), I'm a very expensive one that wouldn't scale because of all the on-topic original content that's required. As for harassment: no, that was never my intention.
• nerfhammer 10y ago
  I have a couple coworkers from Iran. Would you be willing to look them in the face and explain to them how they're banned re-entry into the country?
  • ebfd 10y ago
    Sure. "Muslim immigrants as a group consume more in societal resources than they contribute in taxes or skilled labor."
    • nerfhammer 10y ago
      Have you ever met a Muslim in real life?
      • ebfd 10y ago
        Yes of course, I live in the D.C. area. While most of the Muslims I've met have been perfectly nice folks, I don't consider my personal experiences with individuals to be the best way to evaluate groups.
        • skyfaller 10y ago
          In other words, the individuals I met are human beings, but in large numbers they are merely a statistic, and I'm OK with Muslims dying because my (questionable) economic analysis says they are a net negative for the bottom line of the United States.
        • nerfhammer 10y ago
          You should try explaining your views to them!
    • czep 10y ago
      > "Muslim immigrants as a group consume more in societal resources than they contribute in taxes or skilled labor." There are several issues with this type of justification. 1) We do not value human beings based on whether they are net positive or negative contributors to societal resources. 2) We do not value human beings based on whether they are net positive or negative contributors to societal resources. (This point is rather important, I wanted you to read it so I included it twice). 3) Babies and elderly are a drain so why not give them the same treatment? If your answer is "because babies will eventually become contributors and elderly once were" then consider the following: 4) Many of these refugees are from war-torn countries, they have few resources of their own and perhaps little education. It might take a generation or two before they fully come into their own and contribute to society in the same way that many other immigrant groups have in the past. Give it time, and they too will contribute.
• koliber 10y ago
  I am curious what your ethnicity is. At what point did you ancestors arrive in the United States, or are you perhaps an immigrant yourself? Did any of your ancestors, at any point, belong to a group of immigrants that was considered by a portion of the US populace as "undesirable", but were let in nonetheless? Would you consider your own presence in the United States as a benefit of such immigration which took place a while back?
  • ebfd 10y ago
    I'm ethnically European, so my ancestors shared the same race and values as the demography of the United States at the time. More so, the country at that time did not strive to provide government funded food, shelter, or healthcare, so no financial burden was required to support them. I don't think it would have benefited, say, Israel or Japan to have extended my ancestors citizenship.
    • koliber 10y ago
      Which part of Europe? Polish, Italian, German, and Irish immigrants at one point or another were frowned upon.