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You have directly caused my wife's parents to miss the birth of their first grandchild, and worse things I won't name because they would personally identify me,

by stonogo 10y ago

You have directly caused my wife's parents to miss the birth of their first grandchild, and worse things I won't name because they would personally identify me, by electing an idiot who is terrified of fictional terrorists. You are a bad person, and I don't care whether you appreciate knowing it or not. I don't really give a shit what you think of Hillary, because she did not needlessly block my family from coming to me. Your guy did that. And he is capable of doing it because of you. There is nothing 'mindlessly nasty' here. The central theme of the Trump campaign, and now the Trump administration, is right-wing virtue signaling with no consideration for the effects those actions would have on real actual human beings. This shitty situation is exactly what everyone said would happen if he got elected, and you elected him anyway. There is no room for interpretation here. Hillary is a straw man. You elected a man who is causing American citizens active trauma and the best I can hope for you and those like you is that one day you at least realize what you have done, and take responsibility for it, instead of this weak-kneed "well I only support SOME of his policies" apologetics. You won. The least you can do is develop a fucking spine.

mythrwy 10y ago
I didn't vote for the rights of your wife's parents to enter the country. Sorry. I had other issues in mind.
jimmywanger 10y ago
> I don't really give a shit what you think of Hillary, because she did not needlessly block my family from coming to me. I don't really give a shit what you think about Trump, because he didn't call 25% of the american electorate deplorables and widened the gender gap in the United States by running an awful campaign? People like you who gloss over the marginalization of large swathes of American citizens because you think they are 'bad people' sicken me. You're the ones that stoop to personal attacks and you claim the moral high ground? Pathetic.
ihsw 10y ago
It's this kind of language that hardens people's positions, myself included. I fully support his policies despite your family being affected, gotta break eggs to make an omelet. The campaign was about targeting and isolating the harmful effects of globalization as well as terrorism. The message of his campaign is loud and clear -- America is for Americans. No more siphoning off of resources and no more half-measures.
- stevens32 10y ago
  "America is for Americans" ironically sounds extremely un-American to me. Isn't this on the statue of liberty? “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” I think accepting the downtrodden and giving alms are (were?) core values of America - but maybe the problem is that we didn't focus enough internally and were left with a lot of people next door getting left behind.
leesalminen 10y ago
> terrified of fictional terrorists Fictional? Really? Look at what's happening in various parts of Europe.
dang 10y ago
It sounds like you have legit personal reasons for strong feeling, but we can't let that translate into personal attacks on HN. That's the equivalent of setting our own neighborhood on fire. Please don't do it here, regardless of how wrong others may be. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508560 and marked it off-topic.
zo1 10y ago
I'm disappointed I'm not a citizen and couldn't vote for Trump. I wonder how opinion-widening it would be if a terrorist attack victim's family member came on here to respond to you. There are bigger things to consider other than minor inconveniences.
- anon1385 10y ago
  I wonder how much your opinions would be widened if you learned about the extent of terrorism during the troubles in Northern Ireland[1], and how that conflict was ended[2]. In many ways the Good Friday Agreement is incomprehensible to people outside Northern Ireland. How could they forgive the other side for what they did? Release prisoners that were know to be paramilitary murderers? The cries of Trump supporters are not the cries of victims of terrorist violence. They are the cries of people who have never seen terrorism in their lives, never mind the kind of repeated and sustained terrorist attacks that threaten the entire fabric of a country. If you want to respect the victims of terrorist attacks then you should let them speak for themselves and don't assume to know what their response would be. You say there are bigger things, but it's peace and compassion that is the biggest thing of all. Tit for tat violence isn't something we should aim for, it's something we should aim to rise above. [1] the graph here should put it into context: https://www.statista.com/chart/4093/people-killed-by-terrorist-attacks-in-western-europe-since-1970/pretty https://www.statista.com/chart/4093/people-killed-by-terrori... much all the UK deaths on that graph are related to Northern Ireland, with the exception of Lockerbie in 88 and London in 05. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement
MylesHiIdebrand 10y ago
> fictional terrorist lolwhat?

by stonogo 10y ago

mythrwy 10y ago

I didn't vote for the rights of your wife's parents to enter the country. Sorry. I had other issues in mind.

jimmywanger 10y ago

> I don't really give a shit what you think of Hillary, because she did not needlessly block my family from coming to me. I don't really give a shit what you think about Trump, because he didn't call 25% of the american electorate deplorables and widened the gender gap in the United States by running an awful campaign? People like you who gloss over the marginalization of large swathes of American citizens because you think they are 'bad people' sicken me. You're the ones that stoop to personal attacks and you claim the moral high ground? Pathetic.

ihsw 10y ago

It's this kind of language that hardens people's positions, myself included. I fully support his policies despite your family being affected, gotta break eggs to make an omelet. The campaign was about targeting and isolating the harmful effects of globalization as well as terrorism. The message of his campaign is loud and clear -- America is for Americans. No more siphoning off of resources and no more half-measures.

stevens32 10y ago
"America is for Americans" ironically sounds extremely un-American to me. Isn't this on the statue of liberty? “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” I think accepting the downtrodden and giving alms are (were?) core values of America - but maybe the problem is that we didn't focus enough internally and were left with a lot of people next door getting left behind.

leesalminen 10y ago

> terrified of fictional terrorists Fictional? Really? Look at what's happening in various parts of Europe.

dang 10y ago

It sounds like you have legit personal reasons for strong feeling, but we can't let that translate into personal attacks on HN. That's the equivalent of setting our own neighborhood on fire. Please don't do it here, regardless of how wrong others may be. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508560 and marked it off-topic.

zo1 10y ago

I'm disappointed I'm not a citizen and couldn't vote for Trump. I wonder how opinion-widening it would be if a terrorist attack victim's family member came on here to respond to you. There are bigger things to consider other than minor inconveniences.

anon1385 10y ago
I wonder how much your opinions would be widened if you learned about the extent of terrorism during the troubles in Northern Ireland[1], and how that conflict was ended[2]. In many ways the Good Friday Agreement is incomprehensible to people outside Northern Ireland. How could they forgive the other side for what they did? Release prisoners that were know to be paramilitary murderers? The cries of Trump supporters are not the cries of victims of terrorist violence. They are the cries of people who have never seen terrorism in their lives, never mind the kind of repeated and sustained terrorist attacks that threaten the entire fabric of a country. If you want to respect the victims of terrorist attacks then you should let them speak for themselves and don't assume to know what their response would be. You say there are bigger things, but it's peace and compassion that is the biggest thing of all. Tit for tat violence isn't something we should aim for, it's something we should aim to rise above. [1] the graph here should put it into context: https://www.statista.com/chart/4093/people-killed-by-terrorist-attacks-in-western-europe-since-1970/pretty https://www.statista.com/chart/4093/people-killed-by-terrori... much all the UK deaths on that graph are related to Northern Ireland, with the exception of Lockerbie in 88 and London in 05. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement

MylesHiIdebrand 10y ago

> fictional terrorist lolwhat?