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> He's got his foot in the door. That's all he needs right now. That's a nice slippery slope you got in there. There's zero mention to muslims in the text of t

• Scirra_Tom 10y ago
  What's wrong with using the slippery slope argument here? Regarding slippery slope logical fallacy: > This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. In this instance, plenty of reason and argument to believe this event will lead to another. It's what he campaigned on. > There's zero mention to muslims in the text of the order Plenty of Muslim mentions in his campaign.
  • bassman9000 10y ago
    > What's wrong with using the slippery slope argument here? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope > Plenty of Muslim mentions in his campaign. Not an argument, and irrelevant. Read. The. Text. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-muslim-executive-order-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-musli...
• cjslep 10y ago
  - A ban is not needed while revising the rules. - Revision doesn't mean suspension of the ban. - Temporary can mean indefinitely. - The overwhelming number of terrorists that commit acts of terrorism on American soil come from people born in the United States of America.
  • bassman9000 10y ago
    Holy shit, no one has actually read the text. Why do I bother. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-muslim-executive-order-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-musli... > (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas). > Revision doesn't mean suspension of the ban Doesn't mean not suspending it either. > Temporary can mean indefinitely. It can also mean temporary. > The overwhelming number of terrorists that commit acts of terrorism on American soil come from people born in the United States of America. I can also say, without sources, that, if you account immigrants and children of first generation immigrants, there's a disproportion of immigrant attackers vs the total US population, meaning, there's a far higher chance of a terrorist attack resulting of a poor immigration vetting process.
    • briholt 10y ago
      > there's a disproportion of immigrant attackers vs the total US population There is a willful ignorance of this among some political groups here. Attack after attack, they refuse to acknowledge the problem and thus refuse to entertain basic preventative measures. We restricted Nazi immigration, we restricted communist immigration, and we should certainly restrict Muslim extremist immigration. There is difficulty in separating extremists from moderates (who are a welcome addition to our country), but in order to create a proper vetting process, we first need to recognize the problem and the need for a solution.
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• burkaman 10y ago
  > Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. The vast majority of Middle East refugees are Muslims in the majority in their countries, so here the Secretary of State is directed to prioritize non-Muslims. > The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. What does this mean? Trump is in charge, and he has made it clear that this is how he sees Muslims. Trump has also specifically stated he will prioritize Christians: http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2017/01/27/brody-file-exclusive-president-trump-says-persecuted-christians-will-be-given-priority-as-refugees http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2017/01/27/brody-fi... Finally, there's nothing wrong with a slippery slope argument when Trump has explicitly stated that he wants to get to the bottom of the slope. > Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-... This is still on his website. We don't have to guess what he'll try to do next, he's already told us.
  • cpr 10y ago
    > The vast majority of Middle East refugees are Muslims in the majority in their countries, so here the Secretary of State is directed to prioritize non-Muslims. Right, that's because those are the ones being persecuted and killed under dhimmitude by the Muslim majorities. (Not PC to point this out, I realize.)
    • burkaman 10y ago
      I don't care if it's PC, it's wrong. Please look up what's happening to Sunni Muslims around the Middle East.