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"Trump is a bad person, and the people who voted for him are bad people" I voted for Trump. I support many (not all) of his policies. I don't appreciate being

by mythrwy 10y ago

"Trump is a bad person, and the people who voted for him are bad people" I voted for Trump. I support many (not all) of his policies. I don't appreciate being called a bad person. Certainly you have a right to think this but I disagree. I won't go into what I think of people who voted for Hillary because I try not be mindlessly nasty but I don't think they are all "bad people".

llamataboot 10y ago
Then you voted for an autocratic, racist, dangerous man that is implementing policies antithetical to a free and democratic society after he openly said he would do so. I'm not interested in evaluating whether you are evil or not. I am interested in opposing everything you voted for. I don't want to change your mind. I want to keep you far away from any sort of power. Whether or not you voted for Trump because of his racism, you voted for him DESPITE his racism.
- mythrwy 10y ago
  I disagree with your charges of "racist" and "dangerous". Slander is easy to throw around but it doesn't mean it's reality.
  - scarmig 10y ago
    Disagreeing is entirely your prerogative. But that doesn't change the fact that most people who take racism seriously are going to think of you as a bad person. And why shouldn't we? The worst you could do is tear families apart, watch people die, and actively participate in killing people, and you're already doing that. So yes, you're a bad person.
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    > I don't appreciate being called a bad person. > I disagree with your charges of "racist" and "dangerous". History is a harsh judge. People like Trump are nothing on their own, they need a large cadre of others to do their bidding for them. Note that Trump was nominated by the republican party because they figured he might help them win the election no matter what the cost to the country (maybe they told themselves and are still telling themselves that it is worth it and that he can be controlled). By voting for a person like Trump you are essentially abdicating from your position of power and handing it to them but the responsibility still rests with you. So for every action Trump takes that hurts people you are partially responsible. And if you think that somehow what Trump is doing will benefit that United States then I really would like to know what drives that line of thinking.
    - concinds 10y ago
      > History is a harsh judge. So are keyboard warriors on Hacker News. Did you vote for Obama? Are you partially responsible for his drone strikes?
      - jacquesm 10y ago
        > Did you vote for Obama? No. > Are you partially responsible for his drone strikes? No. Try again.
      - Mz 10y ago
        Pro Tip: The internet is not 100% American. Maybe check your dumb and obvious bias at the door before leveling accusations.
dinkumthinkum 10y ago
Why is it mindless to think that people that support an ignorant demagogue to be President are bad people? Just by appeal to pedantry, I think it is a very logical conclusion. You may not like it, but I don't think "mindless" is the right word.
x0x0 10y ago
Maybe not racist but ok with racism; don't hurt my fee-fees!
panic 10y ago
Do you support this Muslim ban? If not, as a Republican voter, you have more power than most of us here to stop it. Call your representatives.
- potatosoup 10y ago
  This is not a Muslim ban. This is a temporary suspension for immigration from certain countries (many of which we are currently droning, which in itself should've been an outrage years ago.) No one called for action on Malaysia, for example.
id 10y ago
You are bad. Bad people are bad. Sorry.
scarmig 10y ago
I think anyone who supports ethnic and religious bans and persecution is a bad person. Even if they deprioritize them in voting over other policies, thinking, well, who cares, a little bit of racism never hurt anyone, that makes them a bad person. And Trump promised voters that, and now they're getting what they voted for. The only very thin escape route a Trump-voter has is "I thought he was lying to trick the rubes, this was totally unexpected." In which case, the voter is just really stupid. That doesn't make them a bad person--I know lots of kind stupid people! But it does make them, you know, stupid.
- angry-hacker 10y ago
  And anyone who supports a man who is killing innocent people with drones, wiretaps all the world, signs things that allow kill people without any questions is a bad person. Heck, some even voted for him twice! What a bunch of fascist. So in the end all the Americans are bad people or maybe you guys start to understand each other more to avoid these situations in the future. Calling each stupid doesn't lead you anywhere.
  - scarmig 10y ago
    I guess this is the modern, "And you lynch negroes!" Russian is en vogue among the Trumpistas, I get it. For what it's worth, I opposed endless drone strikes and endless war too. But you're engaging in an idiotic equivocation: they're simply not comparable.
    - angry-hacker 10y ago
      I really don't know what understand what 'negroes' and Russians have anything to do with it. I'm not an American, but you made my belief that nothing is going to change soon because American people are so polarized and and certain there are two works views. You're either blue or red and that's it.
      - scarmig 10y ago
        It was a famous catch phrase that the Soviets would use against Americans. The typical refrain was Americans criticize the USSR for killing political dissidents, starving Ukrainians, and keeping millions in the Gulag; and the Soviet diplomat tries to shift discussion of the issue to American segregation in the South, as a way of derailing the discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
tlogan 10y ago
I think that a person who supports or condones persecution based solely on ethnic and religious background is a bad person. Or a person who support a leader which does these things. But that is my opinion. There are even CEOs and very successful people who are bad people. Even Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938... And Henry Ford loved him. So just be aware that you are seen as a bad person by certain members of US population. Nothing wrong there. As one guy on TV said: just try not to get into serious conversations with gays, girls, brown and black people and you will be fine...
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Even Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938 Time's man of the year is about influence, not endorsement.
  - felipemnoa 10y ago
    A lot of people do not get that difference. It sounds like an endorsement to tell you the truth even though, as you say, it is about the most impact, good or bad.
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by mythrwy 10y ago

llamataboot 10y ago

Then you voted for an autocratic, racist, dangerous man that is implementing policies antithetical to a free and democratic society after he openly said he would do so. I'm not interested in evaluating whether you are evil or not. I am interested in opposing everything you voted for. I don't want to change your mind. I want to keep you far away from any sort of power. Whether or not you voted for Trump because of his racism, you voted for him DESPITE his racism.

mythrwy 10y ago
I disagree with your charges of "racist" and "dangerous". Slander is easy to throw around but it doesn't mean it's reality.
- scarmig 10y ago
  Disagreeing is entirely your prerogative. But that doesn't change the fact that most people who take racism seriously are going to think of you as a bad person. And why shouldn't we? The worst you could do is tear families apart, watch people die, and actively participate in killing people, and you're already doing that. So yes, you're a bad person.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  > I don't appreciate being called a bad person. > I disagree with your charges of "racist" and "dangerous". History is a harsh judge. People like Trump are nothing on their own, they need a large cadre of others to do their bidding for them. Note that Trump was nominated by the republican party because they figured he might help them win the election no matter what the cost to the country (maybe they told themselves and are still telling themselves that it is worth it and that he can be controlled). By voting for a person like Trump you are essentially abdicating from your position of power and handing it to them but the responsibility still rests with you. So for every action Trump takes that hurts people you are partially responsible. And if you think that somehow what Trump is doing will benefit that United States then I really would like to know what drives that line of thinking.
  - concinds 10y ago
    > History is a harsh judge. So are keyboard warriors on Hacker News. Did you vote for Obama? Are you partially responsible for his drone strikes?
    - jacquesm 10y ago
      > Did you vote for Obama? No. > Are you partially responsible for his drone strikes? No. Try again.
    - Mz 10y ago
      Pro Tip: The internet is not 100% American. Maybe check your dumb and obvious bias at the door before leveling accusations.

dinkumthinkum 10y ago

Why is it mindless to think that people that support an ignorant demagogue to be President are bad people? Just by appeal to pedantry, I think it is a very logical conclusion. You may not like it, but I don't think "mindless" is the right word.

x0x0 10y ago

Maybe not racist but ok with racism; don't hurt my fee-fees!

panic 10y ago

Do you support this Muslim ban? If not, as a Republican voter, you have more power than most of us here to stop it. Call your representatives.

potatosoup 10y ago
This is not a Muslim ban. This is a temporary suspension for immigration from certain countries (many of which we are currently droning, which in itself should've been an outrage years ago.) No one called for action on Malaysia, for example.

id 10y ago

You are bad. Bad people are bad. Sorry.

scarmig 10y ago

I think anyone who supports ethnic and religious bans and persecution is a bad person. Even if they deprioritize them in voting over other policies, thinking, well, who cares, a little bit of racism never hurt anyone, that makes them a bad person. And Trump promised voters that, and now they're getting what they voted for. The only very thin escape route a Trump-voter has is "I thought he was lying to trick the rubes, this was totally unexpected." In which case, the voter is just really stupid. That doesn't make them a bad person--I know lots of kind stupid people! But it does make them, you know, stupid.

angry-hacker 10y ago
And anyone who supports a man who is killing innocent people with drones, wiretaps all the world, signs things that allow kill people without any questions is a bad person. Heck, some even voted for him twice! What a bunch of fascist. So in the end all the Americans are bad people or maybe you guys start to understand each other more to avoid these situations in the future. Calling each stupid doesn't lead you anywhere.
- scarmig 10y ago
  I guess this is the modern, "And you lynch negroes!" Russian is en vogue among the Trumpistas, I get it. For what it's worth, I opposed endless drone strikes and endless war too. But you're engaging in an idiotic equivocation: they're simply not comparable.
  - angry-hacker 10y ago
    I really don't know what understand what 'negroes' and Russians have anything to do with it. I'm not an American, but you made my belief that nothing is going to change soon because American people are so polarized and and certain there are two works views. You're either blue or red and that's it.
    - scarmig 10y ago
      It was a famous catch phrase that the Soviets would use against Americans. The typical refrain was Americans criticize the USSR for killing political dissidents, starving Ukrainians, and keeping millions in the Gulag; and the Soviet diplomat tries to shift discussion of the issue to American segregation in the South, as a way of derailing the discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

tlogan 10y ago

I think that a person who supports or condones persecution based solely on ethnic and religious background is a bad person. Or a person who support a leader which does these things. But that is my opinion. There are even CEOs and very successful people who are bad people. Even Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938... And Henry Ford loved him. So just be aware that you are seen as a bad person by certain members of US population. Nothing wrong there. As one guy on TV said: just try not to get into serious conversations with gays, girls, brown and black people and you will be fine...

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Even Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938 Time's man of the year is about influence, not endorsement.
- felipemnoa 10y ago
  A lot of people do not get that difference. It sounds like an endorsement to tell you the truth even though, as you say, it is about the most impact, good or bad.
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