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I question how effective this policy is going to be in stopping the actual terrorists. Just as a determined hacker will always find a way to break into your ser

I question how effective this policy is going to be in stopping the actual terrorists. Just as a determined hacker will always find a way to break into your server/network, the terrorists will find a way to illegally enter.

thilmo 10y ago
They'll enter somewhere and kill infidels, it just won't be the United States. It will probably be Europe, or Australia, at least until those places start imposing similar bans. I reluctantly support this policy. Islamic terrorism has become sufficiently decentralised that we can no longer fight it with the means we've been using. Either we turn our own countries into police states where everybody is constantly monitored and searched, or we just do it at the border, where we're not actually impinging upon anyone's rights (note: nobody has a right to enter a different country as a guest). Treat Islamic terrorism like a disease. Either we all walk around in full protective gear all the time, or we simply quarantine the disease in the areas where it exists. That sucks for the uninfected people who live in the area, but... I dunno, being born in most places at most points in history has kinda sucked anyway.
- braindead_in 10y ago
  Or maybe treat the disease? No? If history has taught us anything, it is that the we survive. Wars, disease, plague has not killed us off. We will survive this as well. The question is at what cost. I am not ready to give up my humanity. That is the only thing separating me from a monkey. And US is not the only country affected by Islamic terrorism. A visa ban is hardly the magic panacea for terrorism.
dragonwriter 10y ago
No 9/11 or later terrorists have come to the US as refugees or from the nations targeted for specific bans, so the idea that this is about protecting against terrorists is pretty amusing. Its almost as if it is a set of policies designed to avoid preventing terrorism.

thilmo 10y ago

They'll enter somewhere and kill infidels, it just won't be the United States. It will probably be Europe, or Australia, at least until those places start imposing similar bans. I reluctantly support this policy. Islamic terrorism has become sufficiently decentralised that we can no longer fight it with the means we've been using. Either we turn our own countries into police states where everybody is constantly monitored and searched, or we just do it at the border, where we're not actually impinging upon anyone's rights (note: nobody has a right to enter a different country as a guest). Treat Islamic terrorism like a disease. Either we all walk around in full protective gear all the time, or we simply quarantine the disease in the areas where it exists. That sucks for the uninfected people who live in the area, but... I dunno, being born in most places at most points in history has kinda sucked anyway.

braindead_in 10y ago
Or maybe treat the disease? No? If history has taught us anything, it is that the we survive. Wars, disease, plague has not killed us off. We will survive this as well. The question is at what cost. I am not ready to give up my humanity. That is the only thing separating me from a monkey. And US is not the only country affected by Islamic terrorism. A visa ban is hardly the magic panacea for terrorism.

dragonwriter 10y ago

No 9/11 or later terrorists have come to the US as refugees or from the nations targeted for specific bans, so the idea that this is about protecting against terrorists is pretty amusing. Its almost as if it is a set of policies designed to avoid preventing terrorism.