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Minorities on average earn less, have less job security and despite this they utterly rejected Trump and his hateful platform. Trump voters also weren't the mos

by gizmo 10y ago

Minorities on average earn less, have less job security and despite this they utterly rejected Trump and his hateful platform. Trump voters also weren't the most economically desperate, those people voted Clinton. Trump did well among solidly middle class white people in rural areas. So no, Trump didn't get elected because people desperate for a job were willing to overlook his hate.

einarvollset 10y ago
Data does not support your opinion (yes I know Latinos is only one minority): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-probably-did-better-with-latino-voters-than-romney-did/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-probably-did-bett...
- maxerickson 10y ago
  65 percent Clinton to 29 percent Trump is a pretty strong margin regardless of how it compares to the previous election.
- gizmo 10y ago
  What point are you making here? That you can find a subset within a minority demographic that voted for Trump? If so, that proves nothing. Just look at the graphs here: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trump... White people elected Trump, minorities rejected him. Fact.
  - ErikVandeWater 10y ago
    Minorities always reject republicans. The argument is whether Trump did better with minorities given he is a republican.
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  Yes it does. The fact that Trump did slightly better than Romney doesn't alter the fact that he still lost big with that demographic.
  - googlryas 10y ago
    Yes, but it brings into question the 'hateful rhetoric' narrative, when it appears that minorities did not perceive it as such(at least, based on how they voted). If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney?
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney? Not necessarily if they also viewed Clinton far less favorably than Obama; support of one party by any group in one election vs. another isn't a sign of absolute support for that party's candidate, it's a sign of relative support of that candidate compared to the alternative.
      - googlryas 10y ago
        So...just because Clinton isn't as great as Obama, that leads minorities to vote for someone who "obviously hates them"(as per the anti-Trump narrative goes)?
strken 10y ago
So no, Trump didn't get elected because people desperate for a job were willing to overlook his hate. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e... Check out the swings in the race section. If there hadn't been a massive swing towards him from blacks and hispanics, he might not have won.
- gizmo 10y ago
  Obama was an unusually charismatic candidate who got 93% of the Black vote in 2012 and 96% in 2008. There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that. Hispanic turnout did turn out a bit below expectations, but not by much. Note that Hillary got completely crushed in the "White w/o college degree" category, which is a much larger demographic. And despite that Hillary still won the popular vote by 3 million votes. She did pretty well across the board and in an election as close as this one almost any single thing could have flipped the outcome.
  - oh_sigh 10y ago
    Interesting that you attribute Obama getting 93/96% of the black vote to his...charisma. Yes, I'm sure that was it. > There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that. So, black people vote for a "charismatic" candidate, but when they are left with a mediocre candidate and a candidate that (as is argued) hates them, they decide "Hey, the guy that hates me is better than someone who isn't so charismatic"?
cpursley 10y ago
> Minorities on average earn less Tell that to Asian Americans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

by gizmo 10y ago

einarvollset 10y ago

Data does not support your opinion (yes I know Latinos is only one minority): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-probably-did-better-with-latino-voters-than-romney-did/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-probably-did-bett...

maxerickson 10y ago
65 percent Clinton to 29 percent Trump is a pretty strong margin regardless of how it compares to the previous election.
gizmo 10y ago
What point are you making here? That you can find a subset within a minority demographic that voted for Trump? If so, that proves nothing. Just look at the graphs here: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trump... White people elected Trump, minorities rejected him. Fact.
- ErikVandeWater 10y ago
  Minorities always reject republicans. The argument is whether Trump did better with minorities given he is a republican.
anigbrowl 10y ago
Yes it does. The fact that Trump did slightly better than Romney doesn't alter the fact that he still lost big with that demographic.
- googlryas 10y ago
  Yes, but it brings into question the 'hateful rhetoric' narrative, when it appears that minorities did not perceive it as such(at least, based on how they voted). If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney?
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney? Not necessarily if they also viewed Clinton far less favorably than Obama; support of one party by any group in one election vs. another isn't a sign of absolute support for that party's candidate, it's a sign of relative support of that candidate compared to the alternative.
    - googlryas 10y ago
      So...just because Clinton isn't as great as Obama, that leads minorities to vote for someone who "obviously hates them"(as per the anti-Trump narrative goes)?

strken 10y ago

So no, Trump didn't get elected because people desperate for a job were willing to overlook his hate. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e... Check out the swings in the race section. If there hadn't been a massive swing towards him from blacks and hispanics, he might not have won.

gizmo 10y ago
Obama was an unusually charismatic candidate who got 93% of the Black vote in 2012 and 96% in 2008. There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that. Hispanic turnout did turn out a bit below expectations, but not by much. Note that Hillary got completely crushed in the "White w/o college degree" category, which is a much larger demographic. And despite that Hillary still won the popular vote by 3 million votes. She did pretty well across the board and in an election as close as this one almost any single thing could have flipped the outcome.
- oh_sigh 10y ago
  Interesting that you attribute Obama getting 93/96% of the black vote to his...charisma. Yes, I'm sure that was it. > There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that. So, black people vote for a "charismatic" candidate, but when they are left with a mediocre candidate and a candidate that (as is argued) hates them, they decide "Hey, the guy that hates me is better than someone who isn't so charismatic"?

cpursley 10y ago

> Minorities on average earn less Tell that to Asian Americans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...