5 ms·

I think it's shameful to have an open Trump supporter as part of the upper echelons of YCombinator (Thiel). Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But when y

I think it's shameful to have an open Trump supporter as part of the upper echelons of YCombinator (Thiel). Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But when you openly support a candidate who likes to "grab [women] by the pussy", and now is making headway into some sort of Muslim ban which was a campaign headline, how will female and muslim applicants feel if they know part of their process might be controlled by someone who finds this acceptable? Might it discourage them?

cornholeconnie 10y ago
So only opinions that you deem acceptable are ok. So people are not entitled to their own opinions...
- 467568985476 10y ago
  It's perfectly reasonable to kick a toxic person out of your community. Free speech means the government won't put you in prison. It doesn't mean that other people are required to entertain your opinions.
  - Koshkin 10y ago
    > reasonable to kick a toxic person out I agree - as long as being "toxic" means hurting the business. But as far as the "community" is concerned, it would be interesting to know what percentage of it might be, if not in favor of, but rather tolerant to Trump being president, regardless of whether he is seen as a "presidential material" (whatever that means) or not.
  - Senji 10y ago
    Or you could get kicked out yourself by the toxic people in your community.
  - stale2002 10y ago
    Sure, but don't be surprised when the other half of the country fights back, and starts kicking YOU out of their community because they believe that you are the toxic one.
    - jonknee 10y ago
      I could live a very happy life being kicked out of all Peter Thiel's circles. Actually, where can I sign up for that?
- becarefulyo 10y ago
  Basic human rights are not up for debate. Women and children fleeing a war should not be turned away. In the US, we believe everyone deserves life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
mark_l_watson 10y ago
I am a life time Democrat, but every time I hear someone bring up the poor taste pussy grabbing comments, I have to ask: do you give Bill Clinton a pass on what happened with Paula Jones? Listening to old interviews as a very young woman, Paula Jones paints an awful image of what Clinton did. There is plenty to criticize Trump for, but nasty comments are not as bad as nasty deeds.
- jannotti 10y ago
  He was reporting a deed. You are accepting Paula Jones comments as fact of a deed, but you are not accepting Trump's own self-report of his behavior as a deed. Remember that the tape also contained him saying things like, "I can't resist beautiful, I just kiss", and "They let you get away with it". These are not abstract tasteless comments, like saying something tasteless about a woman's body. These are self-reported "nasty deeds".
  - mark_l_watson 10y ago
    OK, fair enough about Trump. Easy for me to say since I don't like him and didn't vote for him. That said, it does seem like Bill Clinton's actions were worse. He paid a ton of money to settle the Jones lawsuit, IIRC.
    - Retra 10y ago
      Why does it even matter? Nobody is letting Bill Clinton run the country.
    - CalChris 10y ago
      Clinton paid $850,000 without admitting liability to make a lawsuit go away. Jones' lawsuit was bankrolled by Republicans. Equivocating what Trump bragged about with what Clinton was only accused of is a sad argument.
      - mark_l_watson 10y ago
        So, $850K in today's money would be a couple of million? A lot to pay someone, but he got what he wanted in not having to admit liability. I doubt you have watched the Paula Jones interviews from when she was a young woman, since you don't believe that Clinton behaved shamefully in this instance when he was governor. Clinton was an effective president, but he apparently had his bad sides. In no way way am I defending Trump, but I am willing to wait a few months to see if he can accomplish anything positive. Then, when I am totally disappointed I will probably get active politically again, probably supporting third party candidates after the DNC fiasco in the last election. Thank the DNC political hacks for a Trump presidency.
whitemale 10y ago
> I think it's shameful to have an open Trump supporter as part of the upper echelons of YCombinator (Thiel). I think it's shameful to bring politics into tech, it also goes against all that inclusivity talks that people give. Are we going to only allow people into tech if they subscribe to a particular political belief? > Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But when you openly support a candidate who likes to "grab [women] by the pussy" It's called bragging, it's what people do, and they make stuff up along the way, here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oVoJMVsKtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oVoJMVsKtk If you convict every single man in the US who has made such a statement, you would not have many left. > how will female and muslim applicants feel if they know part of their process might be controlled by someone who finds this acceptable? How do you think female rape victims who have been raped by muslims feel about this? I also find it funny that you played the muslim and the female card in one paragraph, go on the internet and look up how women are being treated by most muslim countries.

cornholeconnie 10y ago

So only opinions that you deem acceptable are ok. So people are not entitled to their own opinions...

467568985476 10y ago
It's perfectly reasonable to kick a toxic person out of your community. Free speech means the government won't put you in prison. It doesn't mean that other people are required to entertain your opinions.
- Koshkin 10y ago
  > reasonable to kick a toxic person out I agree - as long as being "toxic" means hurting the business. But as far as the "community" is concerned, it would be interesting to know what percentage of it might be, if not in favor of, but rather tolerant to Trump being president, regardless of whether he is seen as a "presidential material" (whatever that means) or not.
- Senji 10y ago
  Or you could get kicked out yourself by the toxic people in your community.
- stale2002 10y ago
  Sure, but don't be surprised when the other half of the country fights back, and starts kicking YOU out of their community because they believe that you are the toxic one.
  - jonknee 10y ago
    I could live a very happy life being kicked out of all Peter Thiel's circles. Actually, where can I sign up for that?
becarefulyo 10y ago
Basic human rights are not up for debate. Women and children fleeing a war should not be turned away. In the US, we believe everyone deserves life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

mark_l_watson 10y ago

I am a life time Democrat, but every time I hear someone bring up the poor taste pussy grabbing comments, I have to ask: do you give Bill Clinton a pass on what happened with Paula Jones? Listening to old interviews as a very young woman, Paula Jones paints an awful image of what Clinton did. There is plenty to criticize Trump for, but nasty comments are not as bad as nasty deeds.

jannotti 10y ago
He was reporting a deed. You are accepting Paula Jones comments as fact of a deed, but you are not accepting Trump's own self-report of his behavior as a deed. Remember that the tape also contained him saying things like, "I can't resist beautiful, I just kiss", and "They let you get away with it". These are not abstract tasteless comments, like saying something tasteless about a woman's body. These are self-reported "nasty deeds".
- mark_l_watson 10y ago
  OK, fair enough about Trump. Easy for me to say since I don't like him and didn't vote for him. That said, it does seem like Bill Clinton's actions were worse. He paid a ton of money to settle the Jones lawsuit, IIRC.
  - Retra 10y ago
    Why does it even matter? Nobody is letting Bill Clinton run the country.
  - CalChris 10y ago
    Clinton paid $850,000 without admitting liability to make a lawsuit go away. Jones' lawsuit was bankrolled by Republicans. Equivocating what Trump bragged about with what Clinton was only accused of is a sad argument.
    - mark_l_watson 10y ago
      So, $850K in today's money would be a couple of million? A lot to pay someone, but he got what he wanted in not having to admit liability. I doubt you have watched the Paula Jones interviews from when she was a young woman, since you don't believe that Clinton behaved shamefully in this instance when he was governor. Clinton was an effective president, but he apparently had his bad sides. In no way way am I defending Trump, but I am willing to wait a few months to see if he can accomplish anything positive. Then, when I am totally disappointed I will probably get active politically again, probably supporting third party candidates after the DNC fiasco in the last election. Thank the DNC political hacks for a Trump presidency.

whitemale 10y ago

> I think it's shameful to have an open Trump supporter as part of the upper echelons of YCombinator (Thiel). I think it's shameful to bring politics into tech, it also goes against all that inclusivity talks that people give. Are we going to only allow people into tech if they subscribe to a particular political belief? > Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But when you openly support a candidate who likes to "grab [women] by the pussy" It's called bragging, it's what people do, and they make stuff up along the way, here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oVoJMVsKtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oVoJMVsKtk If you convict every single man in the US who has made such a statement, you would not have many left. > how will female and muslim applicants feel if they know part of their process might be controlled by someone who finds this acceptable? How do you think female rape victims who have been raped by muslims feel about this? I also find it funny that you played the muslim and the female card in one paragraph, go on the internet and look up how women are being treated by most muslim countries.