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socialist = banning unlimited soda refills ? seriously ?

MarcusBrutus 10y ago
If a business is willing to offer me free soda refills and I freely choose to patronize thar business, then it takes a hardcore Stalinist to dare stand between us two and prevent by the force of guns this peacefull, voluntary exchange. Does one really need to explain that in the 21st century?
- realusername 10y ago
  It's called a public health service! A wonderful thing which avoids becoming a society full of overweight and unhealthy individuals like the United States.
  - FrancoDiaz 10y ago
    I applaud your very 1984-like spin on the law.
- Oletros 10y ago
  > then it takes a hardcore Stalinist Hyperbole like this is what makes those arguments ridiculous. Or perhaps you don't know what Stalinism, Socialism and Communism is and see it everywhere, like witches in the Middle Ages
  - MarcusBrutus 10y ago
    I know very well what these systems are and, more importantly, I also know what they have in common (with German National Socialism, Maoism and Arab Islamism too): contempt for the rights of individuals and belief in the right of the state to impose its worldview even to the extent of trumping voluntary contracts and arrangements between consenting adults. It is that mindset, the thin edge of the wedge, that I see everywhere, not witches. Of course France (and most of the EU dystopia) is a socialist basketcase beyond redemption so the "thin edge" metaphore is not entirely applicable here.
    - Oletros 10y ago
      > Of course France (and most of the EU dystopia) is a socialist basketcase beyond redemption so the "thin edge" metaphore is not entirely applicable here. So yes, you see witches everywhere. The best thing that can occur is that people like you have their dreams accomplished and live in that libertarian paradise but not being part of the 1% with power. Then you look what your ideology is, bullshit.
FrancoDiaz 10y ago
Yes, nanny-state, authoritarianism is part of the socialist ideological grouping. Socialists have always advocated the state making little, "lifestyle" decisions like this. The state "knows better", and you have lots of people agreeing. Look at the top comment and its children comments on this story. You have people applauding this law and saying that people are too stupid to know when to not get a refill. These are the same people that wring their hands about Trump being an authoritarian, but applaud stupid, nanny state laws like this.
- realusername 10y ago
  Fighting for better health is authoritarianism now? that's a new one. I did not hear that argument when countries are raising cigarette taxes. Australia with one of the highest cigarette tax is also a socialist country then? The laissez faire regarding food in the US does not seem to work very well since the US is one of the worst developed country regarding obesity.
  - drdaeman 10y ago
    State imposing its rules (state authority) over peoples' own decisions (personal freedoms) is authoritarian-leaning, by the definition of how things are on the authoritarian-libertarian axis. Of course it doesn't make state authoritarian, but adding points towards that direction on that axis.
  - paulddraper 10y ago
    > Fighting for better health is authoritarianism now? that's a new one. No definition of authoritarianism has ever defined there to be good or bad motivations for the laws, just that they are strict and limit personal freedom. > did not hear that argument when countries are raising cigarette taxes. You haven't?!? Then what arguments against raising cigarette taxes have you heard?
- Oletros 10y ago
  It is funny the people that see "socialists" everywhere
- 10y ago

If a business is willing to offer me free soda refills and I freely choose to patronize thar business, then it takes a hardcore Stalinist to dare stand between us two and prevent by the force of guns this peacefull, voluntary exchange. Does one really need to explain that in the 21st century?

realusername 10y ago
It's called a public health service! A wonderful thing which avoids becoming a society full of overweight and unhealthy individuals like the United States.
- FrancoDiaz 10y ago
  I applaud your very 1984-like spin on the law.
Oletros 10y ago
> then it takes a hardcore Stalinist Hyperbole like this is what makes those arguments ridiculous. Or perhaps you don't know what Stalinism, Socialism and Communism is and see it everywhere, like witches in the Middle Ages
- MarcusBrutus 10y ago
  I know very well what these systems are and, more importantly, I also know what they have in common (with German National Socialism, Maoism and Arab Islamism too): contempt for the rights of individuals and belief in the right of the state to impose its worldview even to the extent of trumping voluntary contracts and arrangements between consenting adults. It is that mindset, the thin edge of the wedge, that I see everywhere, not witches. Of course France (and most of the EU dystopia) is a socialist basketcase beyond redemption so the "thin edge" metaphore is not entirely applicable here.
  - Oletros 10y ago
    > Of course France (and most of the EU dystopia) is a socialist basketcase beyond redemption so the "thin edge" metaphore is not entirely applicable here. So yes, you see witches everywhere. The best thing that can occur is that people like you have their dreams accomplished and live in that libertarian paradise but not being part of the 1% with power. Then you look what your ideology is, bullshit.

FrancoDiaz 10y ago

Yes, nanny-state, authoritarianism is part of the socialist ideological grouping. Socialists have always advocated the state making little, "lifestyle" decisions like this. The state "knows better", and you have lots of people agreeing. Look at the top comment and its children comments on this story. You have people applauding this law and saying that people are too stupid to know when to not get a refill. These are the same people that wring their hands about Trump being an authoritarian, but applaud stupid, nanny state laws like this.

realusername 10y ago
Fighting for better health is authoritarianism now? that's a new one. I did not hear that argument when countries are raising cigarette taxes. Australia with one of the highest cigarette tax is also a socialist country then? The laissez faire regarding food in the US does not seem to work very well since the US is one of the worst developed country regarding obesity.
- drdaeman 10y ago
  State imposing its rules (state authority) over peoples' own decisions (personal freedoms) is authoritarian-leaning, by the definition of how things are on the authoritarian-libertarian axis. Of course it doesn't make state authoritarian, but adding points towards that direction on that axis.
- paulddraper 10y ago
  > Fighting for better health is authoritarianism now? that's a new one. No definition of authoritarianism has ever defined there to be good or bad motivations for the laws, just that they are strict and limit personal freedom. > did not hear that argument when countries are raising cigarette taxes. You haven't?!? Then what arguments against raising cigarette taxes have you heard?
Oletros 10y ago
It is funny the people that see "socialists" everywhere
10y ago