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I don't think that it's fair to ascribe all the ideals and values in the policies championed by Trump to all of his supporters. Some of his supporters are pure

I don't think that it's fair to ascribe all the ideals and values in the policies championed by Trump to all of his supporters. Some of his supporters are pure evil and they don't hide it and they're not even satisfied by what he's doing and asking for more extremist measures like including all Muslim-majority countries on that list, and some of them are actually fooled by his economic demagoguery and platitudes and just want to get back to earning a decent living and screw everything else. So, painting all of his supporters with the same brush is counterproductive.

cpncrunch 10y ago
I think its reasonable to hold them responsible for his reprehensible policies as that is what he promised during his campaign.
- gotchange 10y ago
  They definitely should bear the blame for his policies whether they're willingly support them or not but that is not my point here. What I'm saying is that people need to differentiate between the faction in Trump camp which is drawn to him for his nationalist economic rhetoric and the other one that endorses his social policies like this awful ban and the latter is the one that should be the target of all the ire resulting from his despicable policies.
  - Broken_Hippo 10y ago
    I refuse to make these distinctions. Sure, some folks that voted for trump are worried about their health insurance premiums (as Jon Stewart used as an example). But they were willing to overlook the racism and misogyny that Trump possesses. Even if they don't agree, they are enabling it when they could have just held off and taken other measures, such as looking at the representatives they are sending to congress and voting appropriately.
    - gotchange 10y ago
      I think that the two of us share the same opinion as we both see that any Trump supporter or voter should be held accountable for all his policies irrespective of their intentions but I think where we disagree is who should be the target of our rage. I believe that people like Bannon & Co should be prioritized because they're the ones running the show and the brain behind those awful policies and to spare the common Trump supporter on the street the full brunt of this.
      - Broken_Hippo 10y ago
        Realistically, I know you are correct. The people with the power are the ones that should take most of the blame for things: After all, some of these elements have been in society for a century and a half, but we've slowly been better at disregarding them, if only because such discrimination is viewed as unconstitutional. You know, until we weren't. And again, realistically, the 'moderate' trump voters are the very ones that will be more easily swayed to the anti-Trump side. I'm just not sure how to open up their worldview to see it like that, and the policies being put into place might make that a little more difficult. The whole thing is uncomfortable, to say the least. Especially when I factor in things like: I'm pretty sure I have family that voted for Trump. Some of those family members agree with some of the worst rhetoric as well - plus I come from the land of Pence. It might even be amazing that I view things like I do, actually. Difficult times indeed.
        gotchange 10y ago
        > I'm just not sure how to open up their worldview to see it like that, and the policies being put into place might make that a little more difficult. Let Trump do this part for you. I'm sure that he will step on a landmine or two while in office that will fire in his face undoing his policies and hurting this main constituency that are motivated by his economic fantasies he calls plans as the other one which is primarily driven by his far-right social policies should be equally worthy of our rage and disdain as they're his foot soldiers in this despicable cause.

cpncrunch 10y ago

I think its reasonable to hold them responsible for his reprehensible policies as that is what he promised during his campaign.

gotchange 10y ago
They definitely should bear the blame for his policies whether they're willingly support them or not but that is not my point here. What I'm saying is that people need to differentiate between the faction in Trump camp which is drawn to him for his nationalist economic rhetoric and the other one that endorses his social policies like this awful ban and the latter is the one that should be the target of all the ire resulting from his despicable policies.
- Broken_Hippo 10y ago
  I refuse to make these distinctions. Sure, some folks that voted for trump are worried about their health insurance premiums (as Jon Stewart used as an example). But they were willing to overlook the racism and misogyny that Trump possesses. Even if they don't agree, they are enabling it when they could have just held off and taken other measures, such as looking at the representatives they are sending to congress and voting appropriately.
  - gotchange 10y ago
    I think that the two of us share the same opinion as we both see that any Trump supporter or voter should be held accountable for all his policies irrespective of their intentions but I think where we disagree is who should be the target of our rage. I believe that people like Bannon & Co should be prioritized because they're the ones running the show and the brain behind those awful policies and to spare the common Trump supporter on the street the full brunt of this.
    - Broken_Hippo 10y ago
      Realistically, I know you are correct. The people with the power are the ones that should take most of the blame for things: After all, some of these elements have been in society for a century and a half, but we've slowly been better at disregarding them, if only because such discrimination is viewed as unconstitutional. You know, until we weren't. And again, realistically, the 'moderate' trump voters are the very ones that will be more easily swayed to the anti-Trump side. I'm just not sure how to open up their worldview to see it like that, and the policies being put into place might make that a little more difficult. The whole thing is uncomfortable, to say the least. Especially when I factor in things like: I'm pretty sure I have family that voted for Trump. Some of those family members agree with some of the worst rhetoric as well - plus I come from the land of Pence. It might even be amazing that I view things like I do, actually. Difficult times indeed.
      - gotchange 10y ago
        > I'm just not sure how to open up their worldview to see it like that, and the policies being put into place might make that a little more difficult. Let Trump do this part for you. I'm sure that he will step on a landmine or two while in office that will fire in his face undoing his policies and hurting this main constituency that are motivated by his economic fantasies he calls plans as the other one which is primarily driven by his far-right social policies should be equally worthy of our rage and disdain as they're his foot soldiers in this despicable cause.