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Well, but how is it not democratic? Didn't Trump say many times he'd do exactly this, and he won? Arguably executive orders should not exist, nor should a powe

Well, but how is it not democratic? Didn't Trump say many times he'd do exactly this, and he won? Arguably executive orders should not exist, nor should a powerful President. The Swiss system of a rapidly rotating presidency and strong "state rights" seems preferable to me. But the USA has strong elected Presidents and I never saw any American seriously challenge that setup, I hear more talk of states seceding than I see talk of changing the constitution to limit the power of the POTUS. So I don't see your point. The people were given a (fairly crappy) choice, made it, now their preferences are being implemented. That's democracy. Don't get me wrong. I think locking people who live in America out of the country because they happened to be on vacation at the time is outrageous, stunningly stupid. But maybe if prior generations of politicians had been more responsive to anti-Muslim sentiment things wouldn't have got so extreme now.

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JshWright 10y ago
This was not the preference of "the people". It was the preference of the the (narrow) preference of the voters in a handful of states important in the Electoral College process.
- JshWright 10y ago
  Wow... Apparently I shouldn't post before coffee. That second sentence went completely off the rails there.
jbmorgado 10y ago
"Well, but how is it not democratic?" It's quite simple, it's not democratic in the sense that the majority of the population voted for another candidate, but in the end Trump got elected. Final ballot count: Hilary: 65,844,610 votes Trump: 62,979,636 votes Now, I understand these are the electoral rules in the USA and I'm not saying Trump won unfairly, but he certainly didn't win democratically since the majority of voters didn't want him there.
- zigzigzag 10y ago
  That takes you down the road of arguing the USA isn't a democracy, which is a fine semantic argument of little relevance to current events. If this starts a movement to abolish the electoral college, great, but the core problem here isn't a few million votes. Even with a different system Trump could still have won. The core problem is that such a guy was able to even get close to the White House and the root cause is a dire failure of all the other politicians to address the concerns he addressed.
- juvinious 10y ago
  So you are saying we are running a republic of representative government? And yet these are the rules we play by and have always played by and I disagree this instance and so I need to virtue signal that "muh people's voice bruh."

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JshWright 10y ago

This was not the preference of "the people". It was the preference of the the (narrow) preference of the voters in a handful of states important in the Electoral College process.

JshWright 10y ago
Wow... Apparently I shouldn't post before coffee. That second sentence went completely off the rails there.

jbmorgado 10y ago

"Well, but how is it not democratic?" It's quite simple, it's not democratic in the sense that the majority of the population voted for another candidate, but in the end Trump got elected. Final ballot count: Hilary: 65,844,610 votes Trump: 62,979,636 votes Now, I understand these are the electoral rules in the USA and I'm not saying Trump won unfairly, but he certainly didn't win democratically since the majority of voters didn't want him there.

zigzigzag 10y ago
That takes you down the road of arguing the USA isn't a democracy, which is a fine semantic argument of little relevance to current events. If this starts a movement to abolish the electoral college, great, but the core problem here isn't a few million votes. Even with a different system Trump could still have won. The core problem is that such a guy was able to even get close to the White House and the root cause is a dire failure of all the other politicians to address the concerns he addressed.
juvinious 10y ago
So you are saying we are running a republic of representative government? And yet these are the rules we play by and have always played by and I disagree this instance and so I need to virtue signal that "muh people's voice bruh."