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The Closing of America
- crashedsnow 10y agoPaywalled
- grzm 10y agoUse the "web" link under the submission title.
- crashedsnow 10y agoThanks!
- general_ai 10y agoThe closing of NY Times, I guess.
- grzm 10y agoActual title: "The Closing of Trump’s America"
- photoshoper 10y agoMeta: Is it me or the button is photoshopped? OCCUPY has a completely different light.
- Pxtl 10y agoCelebrate holocaust memorial day by telling refugees to go away. Well done.
- pfarnsworth 10y agoI DESPISE being in the position to defend Trump, because he is an embarrassment and a buffoon, but the article is filled with half-facts, and is really disappointing, especially for the New York Times. Trump doesn't "hate Muslims." He banned Muslims from the known terrorist states. He didn't ban Muslims from Indonesia and Malaysia (the two most populous Muslim countries), and Pakistan. So if the author said "Trump hates Middle East Muslims" then that would be more factually correct. This sort of twisting of words and half-truths are what got us here in the first place, and why both sides don't listen to each other anymore. We need to have honest and truthful conversations, not half-truths that sway the conversation in one's favor. That's not an honest discussion. EDIT: The article never accuses Trump of hating Muslims, so that's my mistake. The article accuses him of not liking Muslims.
- grzm 10y agoThanks for taking the time to dig into the piece. A few additional points: - This is an Op-Ed piece by Roger Cohen in the Opinion section. It's not an article. The NYT has editors of different political persuasions, perhaps not as diverse as some would prefer, but while they're all published in by the NYT, I'm sure they're allowed more latitude as opposed to representing the opinion of the Editorial Board. Of course, that does not justify misrepresenting known facts. - Nowhere in the piece does the word "hate" appear, much less "hate Muslims", so quoting this is misleading. Cohen does say "The president does not like Muslims" and goes on to support this claim. (Whether or not you think this is justified of course is up to the reader.) - Cohen also clarifies that the ban does not include all Muslims: It is obvious now as he attempts to justify a planned suspension of visas for Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis and citizens of four other majority Muslim Middle Eastern and African countries, as well as a temporary ban on almost all refugees. … “It’s not the Muslim ban,” Trump insisted to Muir. No. It’s just a ban on lots of Muslims. You're very correct that it's important to maintain the nuance and accuracy of what is actually happening to prevent further polarization, to which we should hold the press, and each other.
- masonic 10y agoThis is an Op-Ed piece by Roger Cohen. It's not an article. But Cohen is a Times employee; an editor, in fact. This is not the work of some random partisan think tank writer merely carried by the Times. These two elements go well beyond the pale of any sense of journalism: 1) "... his cavalier trashing of the alliance and union that ushered the the Continent from its darkest hours..." Um, what? When has he trashed (cavalierly or not) the USA-Britain alliance of WW2? Has the P.M. stated anything of the kind? 2) Cohen's piling-on of personal insults. He has no place diagnosing anyone with "narcissistic personality disorder", let alone claiming that Trump has a "lust for torture... and carnage".
- grzm 10y agoYup. And it's expressing an opinion, as opposed to being a more objective article. As I said above, this doesn't excuse any misrepresentation of fact, but it does allow for more lenient application of perspective and interpretation. And the op-ed pieces do sometimes express partisan or political leanings. This shouldn't be a surprise, or even controversial.
- spottter 10y agoIs the button photoshopped? The light is different comparing to the OCCUPY button.
- wallace_f 10y agoAm I the only one that believes there is a reasonable compromise to be made? Some groups are still faced with extreme difficulty in immigrating to the US. Chinese and Europeans find it quite difficult to immigrate here legally. Even young Europeans have many options to use Working Holiday Visas in many countries to work abroad outside of the EU and experience cultural exchange, but America does not participate. Why shouldn't the US just treat all people equally who want to come here? Why shouldn't the process be standardized and made legal? If we really are for cultural exchange, why not participate in Working Holiday schemes for young people from Europe and Asia to legally come here like so many other countries do?