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I doubt Google or any other SV corporation would ever agree to help with a Muslim registry. Even if somehow the top leadership of such a company were to agree (

by rudolf0 10y ago

I doubt Google or any other SV corporation would ever agree to help with a Muslim registry. Even if somehow the top leadership of such a company were to agree (which I doubt), you'd see defections, sabotage, and heavy leaks almost immediately.

arebop 10y ago
Palantir being the exception that proves the rule.
- guelo 10y ago
  Doubt they're the only one. For all the talk of noble ideals in SV the only real principle is money.
  - tyingq 10y ago
    Facebook and others are, at the very least, aware of the purpose behind those various "Quizzes" that are posted using their advertising platforms. Edit: A reference: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/the-secret-agenda-of-a-facebook-quiz.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/the-secret-agenda...
- brian-armstrong 10y ago
  Pedantic aside: This isn't the right way to use this phrase. The exception that proves the rule is the data point that demonstrates that it makes sense to call it a rule and not just something which is always true. 'Dogs bark' is proven a rule by cats meowing, not by a dog that doesn't bark
  - devinj 10y ago
    I don't understand how cats meowing proves anything about dogs. But see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule#Loose_rhetorical_sense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule... The original sense is "No parking on sundays" proves that parking is allowed on other days. The colloquial sense is that if something is a surprising, it shows that its opposite was a useful rule of thumb, or at least one you'd established in your head. (E.g. if you are surprised by a dog that doesn't bark, this surprise is meaningful and says something about what you think about dogs and barking.) If palantir is shocking as a SV company, this says something interesting about what you think about SV companies.
elastic_church 10y ago
or a run of the mill gag order that lasts for a decade but okay....
tyingq 10y ago
Julian Assange's story about his encounter with Google leadership was fairly chilling. Even taking him with a (big) grain of salt... https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/
- dexen 10y ago
  Fascinating read, thank you for the link!
- 3131s 10y ago
  I read a bit of this during the election cycle but must have got sidetracked. I read through the whole piece just now and I am really impressed by its depth and subtle humor. It's lengthy but I really recommend it.
wsh91 10y ago
http://neveragain.tech/ http://neveragain.tech/ has a ton of Googlers on there. I'm among them.
- danjoc 10y ago
  Your replacement won't care. You even gave Alphabet mgmt a nice list of who to downsize.
  - wsh91 10y ago
    I can't speak to anyone else's experiences here, but your cynicism seems unwarranted based on mine.
    - 551199 10y ago
      We'll its not like google had any problems creating a registry for Hillary who was the actual threat to democracy as the Podesta emails verified. https://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/ https://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-workin...
    - danjoc 10y ago
      You can wear your heart on your sleeve, but you won't win a hand of poker doing it. Refusing to participate when there are plenty of people who can replace you accomplishes nothing. Appearing to go along while sabotaging the process is far more effective. You've helped no one by proudly showing your hand. If anything, you've shown you aren't willing to do much of anything beyond sign petitions online.
      - wsh91 10y ago
        You have no idea what I do besides having signed that petition. That's pretty rude. (It's also not true.)
        danjoc 10y ago
551199 10y ago
You mean the Nseers registry that was in place, probably build by the same SV companies, and Obama just dismantled it to make Trump look bad? Yeah.. Registry used to track Arabs and Muslims dismantled by Obama administration: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/22/nseers-arab-muslim-tracking-system-dismantled-obama https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/22/nseers-arab-...
- rudolf0 10y ago
  That was for for non-citizens. Big difference from Trump's implication during the election that Muslim citizens are keeping their mouths shut and not reporting terrorists. Trump's previously proposed Muslim registry covers Muslims already authorized to live in the US.

by rudolf0 10y ago

arebop 10y ago

Palantir being the exception that proves the rule.

guelo 10y ago
Doubt they're the only one. For all the talk of noble ideals in SV the only real principle is money.
- tyingq 10y ago
  Facebook and others are, at the very least, aware of the purpose behind those various "Quizzes" that are posted using their advertising platforms. Edit: A reference: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/the-secret-agenda-of-a-facebook-quiz.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/the-secret-agenda...
brian-armstrong 10y ago
Pedantic aside: This isn't the right way to use this phrase. The exception that proves the rule is the data point that demonstrates that it makes sense to call it a rule and not just something which is always true. 'Dogs bark' is proven a rule by cats meowing, not by a dog that doesn't bark
- devinj 10y ago
  I don't understand how cats meowing proves anything about dogs. But see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule#Loose_rhetorical_sense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule... The original sense is "No parking on sundays" proves that parking is allowed on other days. The colloquial sense is that if something is a surprising, it shows that its opposite was a useful rule of thumb, or at least one you'd established in your head. (E.g. if you are surprised by a dog that doesn't bark, this surprise is meaningful and says something about what you think about dogs and barking.) If palantir is shocking as a SV company, this says something interesting about what you think about SV companies.

elastic_church 10y ago

or a run of the mill gag order that lasts for a decade but okay....

tyingq 10y ago

Julian Assange's story about his encounter with Google leadership was fairly chilling. Even taking him with a (big) grain of salt... https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/

dexen 10y ago
Fascinating read, thank you for the link!
3131s 10y ago
I read a bit of this during the election cycle but must have got sidetracked. I read through the whole piece just now and I am really impressed by its depth and subtle humor. It's lengthy but I really recommend it.

wsh91 10y ago

http://neveragain.tech/ http://neveragain.tech/ has a ton of Googlers on there. I'm among them.

danjoc 10y ago
Your replacement won't care. You even gave Alphabet mgmt a nice list of who to downsize.
- wsh91 10y ago
  I can't speak to anyone else's experiences here, but your cynicism seems unwarranted based on mine.
  - 551199 10y ago
    We'll its not like google had any problems creating a registry for Hillary who was the actual threat to democracy as the Podesta emails verified. https://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/ https://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-workin...
  - danjoc 10y ago
    You can wear your heart on your sleeve, but you won't win a hand of poker doing it. Refusing to participate when there are plenty of people who can replace you accomplishes nothing. Appearing to go along while sabotaging the process is far more effective. You've helped no one by proudly showing your hand. If anything, you've shown you aren't willing to do much of anything beyond sign petitions online.
    - wsh91 10y ago
      You have no idea what I do besides having signed that petition. That's pretty rude. (It's also not true.)
      - danjoc 10y ago

551199 10y ago

You mean the Nseers registry that was in place, probably build by the same SV companies, and Obama just dismantled it to make Trump look bad? Yeah.. Registry used to track Arabs and Muslims dismantled by Obama administration: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/22/nseers-arab-muslim-tracking-system-dismantled-obama https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/22/nseers-arab-...

rudolf0 10y ago
That was for for non-citizens. Big difference from Trump's implication during the election that Muslim citizens are keeping their mouths shut and not reporting terrorists. Trump's previously proposed Muslim registry covers Muslims already authorized to live in the US.