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How Apple can leave the Mac Pro and Mini in their old configuration this long is beyond reason. 1000 days since its debut. Apple should be ashamed of this. Yet

How Apple can leave the Mac Pro and Mini in their old configuration this long is beyond reason. 1000 days since its debut. Apple should be ashamed of this. Yet this company is operating like the days before Steve returned except this time there is no Steve to right it I expect the iMac to get a new chipset but I would like to see the Mac mini updated. Either update the Mac Pro or pull it.

astrodust 10y ago
They claim there's updates in the works. Here's hoping they push them out soon.
- Joeri 10y ago
  With apple's recent behavior, the updates may not be upgrades, but trade-offs.
  - wmeredith 10y ago
    Seriously. I hope the updates aren't adding more retina screens to more surfaces I don't look at.
  - astrodust 10y ago
    I think they're having trouble finding their way in the post-PC world. Jobs knew this day was coming, that the PC would take a back seat to other devices, and brought up the analogy of Apple as BMW: The German company started out building motorcycles and while car sales soon vastly eclipsed that, they continued making really good bikes. It was a point of pride for them. If Apple goes back to that approach, of making Really Good Computers because they can, selling them not at a loss but at a respectable price for a respectable product, they might piss off fewer in their developer slash power user camp. I'm not sure this is their current strategy. The "Pro" monicker seems to be a little diluted in terms of meaning these days.
    - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
      It's not a post-PC world. It's a post-everyone-needs-a-PC world but definitely not a post-PC world.
      - redwall_hp 10y ago
        Something something Steve Jobs "truck" analogy. We're in a world where the masses don't need/want a PC (which is unfortunate, since that will arguably mean children will have less access to fully-functional computers in formative years when they may develop an interest in programming, but I digress). Apple, a company that claimed to grasp that concept just a few years ago, is completely failing on it right now. So, they make their money on phones and tablets, the devices for the "I don't need a real computer" people. Logically, that means the laptops should be targeted at the people who actually do need/want powerful and flexible computing devices...or they should drop them entirely if they don't wish to service that demographic any longer. Instead, we have this bizarre situation where Apple is delivering underpowered and overpriced machines. They're expensive and overkill for people who want luxury Facebook/word processing machines, and they're expensive and underpowered for people who want to do real computing. It's very inconsistent and out of touch. One thing that not enough people are bringing up: who in their right mind sells a "Pro" machine with 256GB of storage? In essence, every machine ships with half the storage they did five years ago. Yes, they're using NAND now, but the cost-per-gigabyte for raw NAND isn't that expensive. For a $2000 laptop, it should bloody well come with at least 512GB of internal storage, with a reasonably priced 1TB upgrade. I can forgive the 16GB limit on the RAM, but storage? On a machine that was marketed for video/photo/software professionals? You lose all of your mobility when you have to tote around an external drive to carry your footage/photos/VMs/builds/whatever.
        aianus 10y ago
        > They're expensive and overkill for people who want luxury Facebook/word processing machines They cost less than $2k. Amortized over 4+ years, they're extremely affordable for the middle class. People spend more on coffee.
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- pixelcloud 10y ago
  And then you can wait another 1000 days for a refresh.
  - astrodust 10y ago
    Intel isn't exactly rushing out compelling new chips every 180 days like they used to.

astrodust 10y ago

They claim there's updates in the works. Here's hoping they push them out soon.

Joeri 10y ago
With apple's recent behavior, the updates may not be upgrades, but trade-offs.
- wmeredith 10y ago
  Seriously. I hope the updates aren't adding more retina screens to more surfaces I don't look at.
- astrodust 10y ago
  I think they're having trouble finding their way in the post-PC world. Jobs knew this day was coming, that the PC would take a back seat to other devices, and brought up the analogy of Apple as BMW: The German company started out building motorcycles and while car sales soon vastly eclipsed that, they continued making really good bikes. It was a point of pride for them. If Apple goes back to that approach, of making Really Good Computers because they can, selling them not at a loss but at a respectable price for a respectable product, they might piss off fewer in their developer slash power user camp. I'm not sure this is their current strategy. The "Pro" monicker seems to be a little diluted in terms of meaning these days.
  - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
    It's not a post-PC world. It's a post-everyone-needs-a-PC world but definitely not a post-PC world.
    - redwall_hp 10y ago
      Something something Steve Jobs "truck" analogy. We're in a world where the masses don't need/want a PC (which is unfortunate, since that will arguably mean children will have less access to fully-functional computers in formative years when they may develop an interest in programming, but I digress). Apple, a company that claimed to grasp that concept just a few years ago, is completely failing on it right now. So, they make their money on phones and tablets, the devices for the "I don't need a real computer" people. Logically, that means the laptops should be targeted at the people who actually do need/want powerful and flexible computing devices...or they should drop them entirely if they don't wish to service that demographic any longer. Instead, we have this bizarre situation where Apple is delivering underpowered and overpriced machines. They're expensive and overkill for people who want luxury Facebook/word processing machines, and they're expensive and underpowered for people who want to do real computing. It's very inconsistent and out of touch. One thing that not enough people are bringing up: who in their right mind sells a "Pro" machine with 256GB of storage? In essence, every machine ships with half the storage they did five years ago. Yes, they're using NAND now, but the cost-per-gigabyte for raw NAND isn't that expensive. For a $2000 laptop, it should bloody well come with at least 512GB of internal storage, with a reasonably priced 1TB upgrade. I can forgive the 16GB limit on the RAM, but storage? On a machine that was marketed for video/photo/software professionals? You lose all of your mobility when you have to tote around an external drive to carry your footage/photos/VMs/builds/whatever.
      - aianus 10y ago
        > They're expensive and overkill for people who want luxury Facebook/word processing machines They cost less than $2k. Amortized over 4+ years, they're extremely affordable for the middle class. People spend more on coffee.
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pixelcloud 10y ago
And then you can wait another 1000 days for a refresh.
- astrodust 10y ago
  Intel isn't exactly rushing out compelling new chips every 180 days like they used to.