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The following table describes ASCII-1965, the version in use today. It used to be common knowledge that the original 1963 ASCII had been sightly different (lack

by jecel 10y ago

The following table describes ASCII-1965, the version in use today. It used to be common knowledge that the original 1963 ASCII had been sightly different (lacking tilde and vertical bar) but that version went completely extinct after ASCII-1965 was promulgated. Not quite true - early adopters like DEC kept using the 1963 version for a very long time, which prompted others to follow them. When the Smalltalk group decided to replace their own characters for ASCII in Smalltalk-80 to be compatible with the rest of the world, it was the 1963 version that they used. Due to this, since I use the Celeste program in Squeak Smalltalk to read my email, I see a left arrow whenever someone wrote an underscore. The other difference is that I have an up arrow instead of ^. But it did adopt the vertical bar and tilde from 1967 ASCII, so it was a mix.

i336_ 10y ago
For anyone similarly curious what Celeste is, there are some screenshots at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1467 http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1467, and it's included in http://files.squeak.org/3.7/unix-linux/ http://files.squeak.org/3.7/unix-linux/. No, it doesn't work in Squeak 5.1 :) To the OP, I'm very curious why you're using Celeste. I take it you've been using it for years?
- jecel 10y ago
  When switching from a KDE based Linux to a Gnome based one many years ago I had to find a replacement for KMail. Since I design Smalltalk computers, it seemed silly not to use Celeste even if I had to put up with some limitations and add a bunch of bug fixes (all dealing with tolerating broken emails). It is not something I would give to a "normal" person to use, but it is more than good enough to me. The main problem is that it does a reasonable job of showing incoming emails (though attachments show up as links at the end of the text) but when editing an email to send it shows the raw headers and MIME for any attachment.
  - i336_ 10y ago
    Welp. I didn't see your comment until now. I wonder if you'll see/get this reply. What do you mean by "design Smalltalk computers"? That sounds really interesting. Do you mean you configure them to autoboot Linux into Squeak or similar? What are they used for? (...I'm guessing education-type environments...?) I can understand what you mean. I tried to get it working, as I said, and while I got the main window open I had no idea how to configure it (and I must admit I don't have much incentive to.)

by jecel 10y ago

i336_ 10y ago

For anyone similarly curious what Celeste is, there are some screenshots at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1467 http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1467, and it's included in http://files.squeak.org/3.7/unix-linux/ http://files.squeak.org/3.7/unix-linux/. No, it doesn't work in Squeak 5.1 :) To the OP, I'm very curious why you're using Celeste. I take it you've been using it for years?

jecel 10y ago
When switching from a KDE based Linux to a Gnome based one many years ago I had to find a replacement for KMail. Since I design Smalltalk computers, it seemed silly not to use Celeste even if I had to put up with some limitations and add a bunch of bug fixes (all dealing with tolerating broken emails). It is not something I would give to a "normal" person to use, but it is more than good enough to me. The main problem is that it does a reasonable job of showing incoming emails (though attachments show up as links at the end of the text) but when editing an email to send it shows the raw headers and MIME for any attachment.
- i336_ 10y ago
  Welp. I didn't see your comment until now. I wonder if you'll see/get this reply. What do you mean by "design Smalltalk computers"? That sounds really interesting. Do you mean you configure them to autoboot Linux into Squeak or similar? What are they used for? (...I'm guessing education-type environments...?) I can understand what you mean. I tried to get it working, as I said, and while I got the main window open I had no idea how to configure it (and I must admit I don't have much incentive to.)