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I am glad as well. It is funny how ms reinvented itself and how apple became new "old ms"

giarc 10y ago
From a high level it is looking that way. Response to recent MS products has been good (surface and surface studio). Apple can't get away from negative press (the headphone jack, lack of innovative features, lack of ports on macbook, touchbar etc). I am hoping that Apple really knocks it out of the park with the iPhone 8 given the 10 year anniversary an dall.
- nikanj 10y ago
  Looking at recent trends, I think the innovation on iPhone 8 is going to be 1) Slimmer than ever (remember to bring your battery pack) 2) No-bezel screen (remember to bring your bumper case) 3) Force touch on the home button too
  - oculusthrift 10y ago
    4) new charging mechanism that isn't compatible with the macbook
    - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
      0) The range splits into two model streams, one of which is called iPhone Pro.
  - giarc 10y ago
    I know this is said a lot, but who are the users asking for cheaper phones? Here on HN, where presumably most people are technologically inclined, the sentiment is "I'll take a bigger phone for large battery life." But all phone manufacturers are going the opposite. Are regular users asking for smaller phones? There must be a user group that wants it smaller and smaller (actually just thinner).
    - strictnein 10y ago
      And (practically) everyone puts their iphone in a case, frequently an Otter box or something, so the thin phone never seems thin.
      - massysett 10y ago
        I had the original Motorola Droid and the Droid Bionic, both with no case, and the iPhone 6 Plus with a case is certainly thinner than either of those phones with no case. Since I put it in my pocket, I certainly don't want it to be any thicker. Yeah the Droid fit in my pocket too but I would not go back to a phone of that thickness even if the battery lasted for days.
      - WalterBright 10y ago
        I wasn't going to buy a case, because I wasn't going to drop the phone. A friend of mine talked me into buying a case because I would drop the phone. I bought a case, put it on, and dropped the phone the next day (no damage). Yay friends!
    - massysett 10y ago
      "I'll take a bigger phone for large battery life." Apple did that starting with the iPhone 6 Plus.
      - giarc 10y ago
        Personally I think the iPhone 5 (5S, 5SE and those before it) had the correct screen size. With one hand, most users could reach the entire screen. With the larger screen size, that's no longer the case without some awkward handling. Therefore I think Apple (and others) should make 4" screen but make the body a bit thicker to accommodate a larger battery. I want a larger battery, but not a larger screen.
    - steveklabnik 10y ago
      > Are regular users asking for smaller phones? I know a number of women that complain that phones no longer fit in their pockets; and a number of cracked screens from mishaps relating to this issue. (Specifically because pockets on women's clothing tend to be smaller, especially in jeans.)
- hyperpallium 10y ago
  I wonder how much of Apple's bad press is due to the absense of Steve's RDF? The iPod was ridiculed for lack of features, and Apple made a point of removing rather than adding... yet succeeded. Wires are a nuisance... earpods are innovative. Perhaps it's really a deficit in selling-it. OTOH smartphones and desktops have overshot demand, so it's downhill whatever they do.

giarc 10y ago

From a high level it is looking that way. Response to recent MS products has been good (surface and surface studio). Apple can't get away from negative press (the headphone jack, lack of innovative features, lack of ports on macbook, touchbar etc). I am hoping that Apple really knocks it out of the park with the iPhone 8 given the 10 year anniversary an dall.

nikanj 10y ago
Looking at recent trends, I think the innovation on iPhone 8 is going to be 1) Slimmer than ever (remember to bring your battery pack) 2) No-bezel screen (remember to bring your bumper case) 3) Force touch on the home button too
- oculusthrift 10y ago
  4) new charging mechanism that isn't compatible with the macbook
  - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
    0) The range splits into two model streams, one of which is called iPhone Pro.
- giarc 10y ago
  I know this is said a lot, but who are the users asking for cheaper phones? Here on HN, where presumably most people are technologically inclined, the sentiment is "I'll take a bigger phone for large battery life." But all phone manufacturers are going the opposite. Are regular users asking for smaller phones? There must be a user group that wants it smaller and smaller (actually just thinner).
  - strictnein 10y ago
    And (practically) everyone puts their iphone in a case, frequently an Otter box or something, so the thin phone never seems thin.
    - massysett 10y ago
      I had the original Motorola Droid and the Droid Bionic, both with no case, and the iPhone 6 Plus with a case is certainly thinner than either of those phones with no case. Since I put it in my pocket, I certainly don't want it to be any thicker. Yeah the Droid fit in my pocket too but I would not go back to a phone of that thickness even if the battery lasted for days.
    - WalterBright 10y ago
      I wasn't going to buy a case, because I wasn't going to drop the phone. A friend of mine talked me into buying a case because I would drop the phone. I bought a case, put it on, and dropped the phone the next day (no damage). Yay friends!
  - massysett 10y ago
    "I'll take a bigger phone for large battery life." Apple did that starting with the iPhone 6 Plus.
    - giarc 10y ago
      Personally I think the iPhone 5 (5S, 5SE and those before it) had the correct screen size. With one hand, most users could reach the entire screen. With the larger screen size, that's no longer the case without some awkward handling. Therefore I think Apple (and others) should make 4" screen but make the body a bit thicker to accommodate a larger battery. I want a larger battery, but not a larger screen.
  - steveklabnik 10y ago
    > Are regular users asking for smaller phones? I know a number of women that complain that phones no longer fit in their pockets; and a number of cracked screens from mishaps relating to this issue. (Specifically because pockets on women's clothing tend to be smaller, especially in jeans.)
hyperpallium 10y ago
I wonder how much of Apple's bad press is due to the absense of Steve's RDF? The iPod was ridiculed for lack of features, and Apple made a point of removing rather than adding... yet succeeded. Wires are a nuisance... earpods are innovative. Perhaps it's really a deficit in selling-it. OTOH smartphones and desktops have overshot demand, so it's downhill whatever they do.