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There is nothing racist about wanting nation states and controlled immigration. You can't convince me with your blind agenda everyone is racist. Neither do I ha

There is nothing racist about wanting nation states and controlled immigration. You can't convince me with your blind agenda everyone is racist. Neither do I have to be careful. Why? The people don't see the country stronger with mass immigration, only socialists and maybe big businesses do. I'm confident speaking about it because UK voted out. What's there to discuss?

richmarr 10y ago
> There is nothing racist about wanting nation states and controlled immigration. Well no, it depends why you want it, doesn't it. There are racist reasons to want increased immigration controls and non-racist reasons to want it. > You can't convince me with your blind agenda everyone is racist. I didn't say everyone is racist, did I. I have no idea what a "blind agenda" is, but I'm not the one misrepresenting what's been said, so it seems less likely I'm the one peddling an agenda. > Neither do I have to be careful. Why? Because if you're not careful about the way you discuss immigration people might mistake your motivations as being racist. I assumed that wouldn't be desirable, your choice though obviously. > The people don't see the country stronger with mass immigration, only socialists and maybe big businesses do. So socialists aren't "the people". Ooookay, that's an interesting distinction. To be honest though, "the people" you describe are wrong... you and I will have front-row seats as multi-nationals threaten to leave the UK and we have to drop corporation tax to encourage some of them to stay, as banks in the City of London lose their EU trading passports and leave for Paris, as the immigrant doctors and nurses propping up our under-invested NHS stop coming. A weak pound making imports much more expensive, causing inflation and increasing poverty. Increased tarrifs on 44% of our exports (the amount that goes to the EU) also sounds great... plenty of businesses will go bankrupt over that, meaning increased unemployment, reduced tax revenues, cuts to public services (or increased nation debt). That'll all be fun. Loving how this stronger UK that "the people" see is sounding. > I'm confident speaking about it because UK voted out. 52%, who were lied to during the campaign, some of whom would vote differently now. Some of whom have since died, and been replaced by young remain voters. Yes "the UK" voted to leave, just, but if you claim to speak for "the people" then you're clearly wrong. > What's there to discuss? Everything? For a start it looks like Scotland is as likely as not to leave the UK because of Brexit. Well done for that. End of a 300 year era. Personally I'm doing what I can to stop Brexit, because it's insane.
- Oletros 10y ago
  > So socialists aren't "the people". it seems that for the OP anyone that is not a right wing person it is not a person. I like his comment in Spanish when I said that I vote left: "less fight and more baths"
  - baq 10y ago
    > it seems that for the OP anyone that is not a right wing person it is not a person. this is very true for a lot of right wing radicals independent of the country. it makes it easy for them to dismiss or in the extreme even kill other people because they're dehumanized and so any moral obligations that would normally be held against others just aren't. i'm quite sure muslim terrorist think exactly the same way.

richmarr 10y ago

> There is nothing racist about wanting nation states and controlled immigration. Well no, it depends why you want it, doesn't it. There are racist reasons to want increased immigration controls and non-racist reasons to want it. > You can't convince me with your blind agenda everyone is racist. I didn't say everyone is racist, did I. I have no idea what a "blind agenda" is, but I'm not the one misrepresenting what's been said, so it seems less likely I'm the one peddling an agenda. > Neither do I have to be careful. Why? Because if you're not careful about the way you discuss immigration people might mistake your motivations as being racist. I assumed that wouldn't be desirable, your choice though obviously. > The people don't see the country stronger with mass immigration, only socialists and maybe big businesses do. So socialists aren't "the people". Ooookay, that's an interesting distinction. To be honest though, "the people" you describe are wrong... you and I will have front-row seats as multi-nationals threaten to leave the UK and we have to drop corporation tax to encourage some of them to stay, as banks in the City of London lose their EU trading passports and leave for Paris, as the immigrant doctors and nurses propping up our under-invested NHS stop coming. A weak pound making imports much more expensive, causing inflation and increasing poverty. Increased tarrifs on 44% of our exports (the amount that goes to the EU) also sounds great... plenty of businesses will go bankrupt over that, meaning increased unemployment, reduced tax revenues, cuts to public services (or increased nation debt). That'll all be fun. Loving how this stronger UK that "the people" see is sounding. > I'm confident speaking about it because UK voted out. 52%, who were lied to during the campaign, some of whom would vote differently now. Some of whom have since died, and been replaced by young remain voters. Yes "the UK" voted to leave, just, but if you claim to speak for "the people" then you're clearly wrong. > What's there to discuss? Everything? For a start it looks like Scotland is as likely as not to leave the UK because of Brexit. Well done for that. End of a 300 year era. Personally I'm doing what I can to stop Brexit, because it's insane.

Oletros 10y ago
> So socialists aren't "the people". it seems that for the OP anyone that is not a right wing person it is not a person. I like his comment in Spanish when I said that I vote left: "less fight and more baths"
- baq 10y ago
  > it seems that for the OP anyone that is not a right wing person it is not a person. this is very true for a lot of right wing radicals independent of the country. it makes it easy for them to dismiss or in the extreme even kill other people because they're dehumanized and so any moral obligations that would normally be held against others just aren't. i'm quite sure muslim terrorist think exactly the same way.