Yeah agree with you. And deploying it even without Forge and Envoyer is a breeze. Spin up a DO instance and git pull from your repo and point nginx root to pull

Yeah agree with you. And deploying it even without Forge and Envoyer is a breeze. Spin up a DO instance and git pull from your repo and point nginx root to pulled down repo and you're good to go, almost :) Laravel is great, and I find PHP a lot prettier and easier than Ruby. Just wondering why all the big start ups are using Ruby on Rails? Twitter, AirBnB, BrainTree, Shopify. Literally no big startup uses Laravel, other than Slack, which is just PHP.