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Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S
- siculars 10y agoAmong other folks as well [0]. Of note, the US was not the only country to turn away refugees during WWII. Also of note, from what I've read, refugee immigration has been temporarily halted from certain countries with the exemption being refugees from minority religions in those countries. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis
- dwightgunning 10y agoI also read the same regarding minority religions. Although the price I saw was only citing a draft of the executive order. I wonder when, they haven't already, publish the final version. The countries to which the bans apply are all majority Muslim, so the exemption would apply to non-Muslims.
- siculars 10y agoHad similar exemptions been applied in war-time Europe the Franks may well have been saved.
- matt4077 10y agoThis specific exception would obviously not have made any sense back then, considering the vast majority of refugees belonged to the minority religion. I actually just tried to find out what the attitude towards jewish refugees was in the US and happened upon this eerily pertinent passage: Out of fear that the Nazis could smuggle spies and saboteurs in with refugees, immigration officials tightened visa policies for immigrants and non- immigrants. The State Department urged its diplomatic consuls in Europe to screen potential immigrants carefully, including those fleeing persecution, (from https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007094 https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007094)
- PietdeVries 10y agoAnd interestingly, Germans that were at that time not even considering to migrate to the US (Werner von Braun anyone?) were just forced...
- whack 10y agohttp://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511903885/trump-s-refugee-plan-will-prioritize-christian-refugees http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511903885/... "Trump's Refugee Plan Will Prioritize Christians Suffering Religious Persecution" The precise wording of the order/legislation may not mention any specific religion, but the intent is clear. Specific countries will be targeted, and exceptions within those countries will be granted, to ensure that Muslims aren't able to get in but Christians can sail right through.
- arkitaip 10y agoExpect to see lots of recently converted Christians...
- 77pt77 10y agoI wouldn't put it past the authorities to implement something along the lines of a "bacon test". These were common during the inquisition to test convert Jews.
- crottypeter 10y agoIt will probably work about as well as torture. Looks like it works, but you simply force people to lie - be that via false confessions or going against halal/kosher practice.
- saiya-jin 10y agoput some liquor shots on top of that
- dogma1138 10y agoNot really, initially in the inquisition they let them to choose - convert or be expelled, later convert or die, then they just gave up on the conversion all together. Anusim are Jews who were coerced to convert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anusim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anusim All in all there isn't much need to do a bacon test for either Muslims or Jews, at least for men, just make them strip if they are circumcised you know exactly who they are.
- gcp 10y agomajority Muslim There's various ideologies of that, and some of that are aggressive (repressive) towards the others, which is exactly what is leading to refugee problems in Europe. Is the law going to paper over that difference?
- pavelmelnichuk 10y agoThis comment has the funny smell of a, "you too," [0] argument fallacy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
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- hoooyaaa 10y ago.
- blkhawk 10y agoaww cute - 3 minutes old and already sprouting nonsense. (I'm talking about the account age - obvious troll is obvious)
- sgift 10y agoAnd I thought all the innocent Americans (or as I'm not from America "people") killed by criminals sucks. As far as I'm informed being a criminal, an asshole or a despicable human being is completely separated from religion, immigration, color, gender, (feel free to extend this list) - people can be multiple things. Or none.
- blkhawk 10y agodon't feed the troll - there are so many arguments against this that the comment was likely engineered for maximum wrongness.
- sgift 10y agoSorry, I know I shouldn't but sometimes I just cannot resist.
- hoooyaaa 10y ago.
- sgift 10y agoYou may find this Wikipedia page enlightening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_cau...
- echelon 10y agoYou clearly don't respect the ethos of your fellow human beings with this vile rhetoric. Don't sully HN with these comments.
- temarsden 10y agoWhat does this have to do with hacker news?
- matt4077 10y agoHackers are people, my friend.
- jypepin 10y agoAlthough I enjoyed this article and don't mind seeing it on hacker news, I can understand the question tho, and actually have found myself wonder about it. of course we are human, but it's called "hacker news" and I guess people expect computer related news here. Just like when I visit soccer.com, I'm not expecting news about AI or Anne Frank :) So it's not about being people too, it's about the subject focused (or at least implied) by this website. I can also see the fact that HN is now more a community that an actual news site and people like to talk about more and more various subjects.
- madaxe_again 10y agoHackers/technocrats armed the Wehrmacht, built The Bomb, developed chemical and biological weapons, and have an awful tendency to go "me, I just make the widget. What they use it for is their problem." Therefore it's important that we talk about these things.
- Veratyr 10y agoSo are all the other people on earth. There are other outlets for general interest news. The appeal of HN to me is that it's limited specifically to tech-related news.
- DanBC 10y agoYou're probably right that this article is off-topic and should be flagged, but this... > The appeal of HN to me is that it's limited specifically to tech-related news. ...is wrong. The guidelines have said for years that on-topic is: > Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.
- cronjobber 10y agoOver the top political agitation like this (or Scott Aaronson's from yesterday) used to get flagged reliably. Why not anymore?
- stupidcar 10y agoBecause it's no longer over the top?
- cronjobber 10y agoIf you mean that "elected president is literally Hitler" and related themes have been mainstreamed so thoroughly and quickly as to be the new normal already... I think you should be afraid of the power of the press more than of any merely elected president.
- croon 10y agoHitler wasn't Hitler when he was appointed. A multi-car pile-up isn't one 5 minutes before it happens either. I agree that one shouldn't cry wolf and exaggerate too often, but it's equally ignorant to not take things seriously, whether it be a fact-opposing president, mass surveillence legislation or anti consumer net unneutrality, that are all just steps that are hard to reverse once in place, and are building towards something much worse.
- DarkKomunalec 10y agoControlling who may enter your country is exactly what the Nazis would do.
- reddytowns 10y agoOr any other sane nation...
- dogma1138 10y agoDarn, I guess the 190 or so nations that issue passports and check them at the border are all Nazi's... man I didn't realize that the TMITHC on Amazon was reality TV.
- WillPostForFood 10y agopolicy by anecdote?
- andrewclunn 10y agoI make all my political and ideological choices based on analogies using Hitler or Nazis. Then I post about them on sites related to technology and downvote anyone who doesn't tow the line. It's called being a decent human being!!!
- davidf18 10y agoUnder the British Mandate of The League of Nations Britain was obligated to allow Jewish immigration to what is now Israel. In fact originally Hitler wanted European Jews to go there. But the British broke their mandate with "The White Paper" in 1939 which severely limited Jewish immigration to their land. If America had run the mandate instead of the British there probably would not have been The Holocaust and many millions more Jews would be alive today in Israel including presumably Anne Frank. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939
- dublinclontarf 10y agoIf only Britain, France or the US had stopped Germany with force when it invaded the Rhineland, then the war may never have happened.
- siculars 10y agoSimilar perhaps to a "red-line" that was touted by the Obama administration but never enforced.
- madaxe_again 10y agoIf only the Dawes and Young plans didn't make another war inevitable, solely to generate wealth for US businesses. We can go on in this silly vein all day...
- opaque 10y agoand this counterfactual America would have responded how to the partly anti-mass-immigration revolt that caused the paper to be be written? History (and hypothetical history) are rarely that simple. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%9339_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%9339_Arab_revolt_... > "...their land" The sentence is unclear if you're referring to it as British land or Jewish land, but either way it's contentious to say the least!
- w00tw00tw00t 10y agoSaudi men committed the terrorist act of 9/11 and the Orlando shooter was of Afghani origin. But Trump banned people from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Yemen & Sudan. What kind of logic is that? I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that the United States of America should ban people based on their country of origin. That is UnAmerican. But I do find the above illogical and very fishy.
- PoarNeemn 10y agoI agree he should have banned all muslims. They are all latent terrorists.
- redsummer 10y agoNumber of Syrian refugees let in to Israel: ZERO And it's right next door.
- akjainaj 10y agoThey know a thing or two about basic security and cultural hygiene, unlike most of Europe. I suppose Europe will only learn that after hundreds of rapes and dozens of trucks running over innocent people. Talk about self-destructive behaviour...
- Quarrelsome 10y agoewwww. Cultural hygiene? _really_? What exactly do you mean by that sentence? Do you mean that if I am culturally abnormal then I should be purged from my homeland much like they should not enter?
- akjainaj 10y agoIf you're culturally abnormal for a certain country you shouldn't be allowed to enter it unless you're willing to integrate.
- Quarrelsome 10y agoWhile I'd concede the point; its pertinent to national security that not many neighbouring countries are very fond of them. So I can imagine why the level of immense paranoia being applied here. Tragically allowing refugees in is the sort of action that might convey the goodwill necessary for Israel to find a diplomatic home in the Middle East but alas; short-termism wins out.
- siculars 10y agoNot yet, but soon [0]. [0] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38755946 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38755946
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- vinhboy 10y agoDidn't Einstein come to US as a refugee? I guess we'll never know what we're missing out on.
- skissane 10y agoThe way the US and other countries abandoned Jews to genocide was shameful. And I do think that Western countries (such as the US and my own country of Australia) should take more refugees, including Syrian refugees. However, I'd question the parallel the article tries to draw between between victims and survivors of the Holocaust and contemporary Syrian refugees – every Jew fleeing the Nazi regime was under a very serious risk of falling victim to genocide, whether or not they realised it at the time. By contrast, I don't think the vast majority of Syrian refugees are fleeing genocide. While genocide has been occurring in Syria (e.g. ISIS' genocide of Yazidis), the actual or potential victims of those genocides are a small minority of the total Syrian refugee population.
- pavelmelnichuk 10y agoEveryone in the west always forgets thats Jews were not the only ones that were victimized by the Nazis, and I feel that this is too often misrepresented from the general knowledge pool of most people in society. More soviets died there than Jews, and in fact more Non-Jews died there than Jews. Why does everyone ignore that? Number of Deaths Jews: up to 6 million Soviet civilians: around 7 million Soviet prisoners of war: around 3 million Non-Jewish Polish civilians: around 1.8 million Serb civilians: 312,000 People with disabilities: up to 250,000 Roma (Gypsies): 196,000–220,000 Jehovah's Witnesses: Around 1,900 Repeat criminal offenders: at least 70,000 https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10008193 https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10008193
- siculars 10y agoAll true, but that's standard warfare stuff. Only certain populations were targeted for extermination. Jews were not the only ones but Russians certainly were not.
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