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Having owned an Eye-Sight Subaru and AP Tesla at the same time I can attest they aren't nearly the same. For one Eye-Sight turns off if you come to a complete

Having owned an Eye-Sight Subaru and AP Tesla at the same time I can attest they aren't nearly the same. For one Eye-Sight turns off if you come to a complete stop and won't re-engage until you get over a threshold(I believe 18mph). It has a pretty limited HUD to communicate what the system is seeing. In comparison the Tesla will do full rush-hour traffic flawlessly and does a much better job of communicating what it's seeing in the vicinity of the car. It also bounces the radar under the car ahead of you so it has the ability to see heavy braking conditions much sooner. C&D did a pretty good comparison recently[1], it didn't include the A8/S8 but most of the other competitors but Tesla was far and away the better system. [1] http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-compared-tesla-vs-bmw-mercedes-and-infiniti-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-co...

temp246810 10y ago
You are mistaken. Yes the eyesight disengages if you're stopped for more than about 2 seconds (will acknowledge it's annoying), but you can restart it at the touch of a button even from a stand still. This might be a recent change. That car and driver review doesn't fully explain the features. I'm sure the Tesla is a bit nicer and more autopilotey, but it will cost you 70-80k MORE out the door which is the point. Eyesight gets you 80-90% there. The tech is otherwise similar features wise. If anything what you could argue is that the Tesla can get you on the freeway on its own which is pretty cool. Can it do that?
- vvanders 10y ago
  How many times are you pressing that button in 40 minutes of rush hour traffic? That to me is where Tesla's AP really shines, 70mph AP is nifty but not nearly as useful. I was just commenting since we've owned both systems, if you haven't had a chance to give Tesla's a spin they are happy to do free test-drives, on paper they look similar but in execution I found Tesla's to be miles ahead(and constantly improving). That extra 60k also gets you some really acceptable 0-60 times :).
  - temp246810 10y ago
    It's more than 60k all in when I looked into getting. You'd be surprised, during most drives home I only have to hit it 2-3 times. Listen, I'm not trying to argue that my Forester is nicer than your Tesla. By no means is that the case. My comment was more to point out that the tech is a lot more common than people think.

temp246810 10y ago

You are mistaken. Yes the eyesight disengages if you're stopped for more than about 2 seconds (will acknowledge it's annoying), but you can restart it at the touch of a button even from a stand still. This might be a recent change. That car and driver review doesn't fully explain the features. I'm sure the Tesla is a bit nicer and more autopilotey, but it will cost you 70-80k MORE out the door which is the point. Eyesight gets you 80-90% there. The tech is otherwise similar features wise. If anything what you could argue is that the Tesla can get you on the freeway on its own which is pretty cool. Can it do that?

vvanders 10y ago
How many times are you pressing that button in 40 minutes of rush hour traffic? That to me is where Tesla's AP really shines, 70mph AP is nifty but not nearly as useful. I was just commenting since we've owned both systems, if you haven't had a chance to give Tesla's a spin they are happy to do free test-drives, on paper they look similar but in execution I found Tesla's to be miles ahead(and constantly improving). That extra 60k also gets you some really acceptable 0-60 times :).
- temp246810 10y ago
  It's more than 60k all in when I looked into getting. You'd be surprised, during most drives home I only have to hit it 2-3 times. Listen, I'm not trying to argue that my Forester is nicer than your Tesla. By no means is that the case. My comment was more to point out that the tech is a lot more common than people think.