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Agreed. My subaru forester can do this with just 2 cameras by the rearview mirror. And it was <<30k out the door with 7 year warranty and 3 year maintenance. T

Agreed. My subaru forester can do this with just 2 cameras by the rearview mirror. And it was <<30k out the door with 7 year warranty and 3 year maintenance. That's marketing for you I guess. (Don't get me wrong, would get a Tesla if money were no object)

glitch003 10y ago
I have a subaru crosstrek with the eyesight package, and it can't do lanekeeping. Are you sure your forester can? Auto braking and automatic speed adjustment cruise control, but no lanekeeping. It does have an alert when you leave a lane without signaling, but that's not the same as actually keeping you in the lane.
- temp246810 10y ago
  2017 added lane keep assist. Note everything else featurewise has been available for a while and the outback has had LKA for at least a year. http://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=940&mid=141&allImage=1&teaser=2017-subaru-forester-offers-advanced-safety-features-greater http://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=940&mid=141&allIma...
  - jsolson 10y ago
    So, I've made it from Burlington, Washington to the Canadian border without turning off Autopilot in Friday evening traffic (about 50 miles, including some pleasant winding interstate). As described by Subaru LKA "...can gently guide the vehicle back to the center of its lane if sway is detected". It sounds like it only corrects for small deviations rather than actually completely steering for you? Is Subaru under-selling it in their press release (which would honestly be sort of amazing)?
vvanders 10y ago
Having owned an Eye-Sight Subaru and AP Tesla at the same time I can attest they aren't nearly the same. For one Eye-Sight turns off if you come to a complete stop and won't re-engage until you get over a threshold(I believe 18mph). It has a pretty limited HUD to communicate what the system is seeing. In comparison the Tesla will do full rush-hour traffic flawlessly and does a much better job of communicating what it's seeing in the vicinity of the car. It also bounces the radar under the car ahead of you so it has the ability to see heavy braking conditions much sooner. C&D did a pretty good comparison recently[1], it didn't include the A8/S8 but most of the other competitors but Tesla was far and away the better system. [1] http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-compared-tesla-vs-bmw-mercedes-and-infiniti-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-co...
- temp246810 10y ago
  You are mistaken. Yes the eyesight disengages if you're stopped for more than about 2 seconds (will acknowledge it's annoying), but you can restart it at the touch of a button even from a stand still. This might be a recent change. That car and driver review doesn't fully explain the features. I'm sure the Tesla is a bit nicer and more autopilotey, but it will cost you 70-80k MORE out the door which is the point. Eyesight gets you 80-90% there. The tech is otherwise similar features wise. If anything what you could argue is that the Tesla can get you on the freeway on its own which is pretty cool. Can it do that?
  - vvanders 10y ago
    How many times are you pressing that button in 40 minutes of rush hour traffic? That to me is where Tesla's AP really shines, 70mph AP is nifty but not nearly as useful. I was just commenting since we've owned both systems, if you haven't had a chance to give Tesla's a spin they are happy to do free test-drives, on paper they look similar but in execution I found Tesla's to be miles ahead(and constantly improving). That extra 60k also gets you some really acceptable 0-60 times :).
    - temp246810 10y ago
      It's more than 60k all in when I looked into getting. You'd be surprised, during most drives home I only have to hit it 2-3 times. Listen, I'm not trying to argue that my Forester is nicer than your Tesla. By no means is that the case. My comment was more to point out that the tech is a lot more common than people think.

glitch003 10y ago

I have a subaru crosstrek with the eyesight package, and it can't do lanekeeping. Are you sure your forester can? Auto braking and automatic speed adjustment cruise control, but no lanekeeping. It does have an alert when you leave a lane without signaling, but that's not the same as actually keeping you in the lane.

temp246810 10y ago
2017 added lane keep assist. Note everything else featurewise has been available for a while and the outback has had LKA for at least a year. http://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=940&mid=141&allImage=1&teaser=2017-subaru-forester-offers-advanced-safety-features-greater http://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=940&mid=141&allIma...
- jsolson 10y ago
  So, I've made it from Burlington, Washington to the Canadian border without turning off Autopilot in Friday evening traffic (about 50 miles, including some pleasant winding interstate). As described by Subaru LKA "...can gently guide the vehicle back to the center of its lane if sway is detected". It sounds like it only corrects for small deviations rather than actually completely steering for you? Is Subaru under-selling it in their press release (which would honestly be sort of amazing)?

vvanders 10y ago

Having owned an Eye-Sight Subaru and AP Tesla at the same time I can attest they aren't nearly the same. For one Eye-Sight turns off if you come to a complete stop and won't re-engage until you get over a threshold(I believe 18mph). It has a pretty limited HUD to communicate what the system is seeing. In comparison the Tesla will do full rush-hour traffic flawlessly and does a much better job of communicating what it's seeing in the vicinity of the car. It also bounces the radar under the car ahead of you so it has the ability to see heavy braking conditions much sooner. C&D did a pretty good comparison recently[1], it didn't include the A8/S8 but most of the other competitors but Tesla was far and away the better system. [1] http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-compared-tesla-vs-bmw-mercedes-and-infiniti-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-co...

temp246810 10y ago
You are mistaken. Yes the eyesight disengages if you're stopped for more than about 2 seconds (will acknowledge it's annoying), but you can restart it at the touch of a button even from a stand still. This might be a recent change. That car and driver review doesn't fully explain the features. I'm sure the Tesla is a bit nicer and more autopilotey, but it will cost you 70-80k MORE out the door which is the point. Eyesight gets you 80-90% there. The tech is otherwise similar features wise. If anything what you could argue is that the Tesla can get you on the freeway on its own which is pretty cool. Can it do that?
- vvanders 10y ago
  How many times are you pressing that button in 40 minutes of rush hour traffic? That to me is where Tesla's AP really shines, 70mph AP is nifty but not nearly as useful. I was just commenting since we've owned both systems, if you haven't had a chance to give Tesla's a spin they are happy to do free test-drives, on paper they look similar but in execution I found Tesla's to be miles ahead(and constantly improving). That extra 60k also gets you some really acceptable 0-60 times :).
  - temp246810 10y ago
    It's more than 60k all in when I looked into getting. You'd be surprised, during most drives home I only have to hit it 2-3 times. Listen, I'm not trying to argue that my Forester is nicer than your Tesla. By no means is that the case. My comment was more to point out that the tech is a lot more common than people think.