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hi everyone, i'm a sales guy at oracle. feel free to AMA, i'm here for a bit (5:45 NY time) i wanted to add that a yearly commissions earning of +800k would p

hi everyone, i'm a sales guy at oracle. feel free to AMA, i'm here for a bit (5:45 NY time) i wanted to add that a yearly commissions earning of +800k would put you in the top 50 of all 80,000 global sales people (we have 139k employees) so when the article says that her contribution is minor in the eyes of oracle, it really shouldn't be seen that way, because they are screwing one of the company's best sales people 10x harder than they screw the rest of us also, they screw us in the following ways: withhold payments, late payments for months, improperly calculated profit margins (we are paid on profit not rev), changing our rates mid year, data entry errors that assign commissions to wrong sales reps... you name it, they do it. all about cost cutting. no desire to retain employees or customers. EDIT: i appear to be rate limited so i will will either comment with edits or just wait until it expires :)

hunterjrj 10y ago
Out of curiosity, what keeps you there?
- overcast 10y ago
  $$$
  - salesguy222 10y ago
    yes, this poster is right, we all make 80-120k out of college and for many of us, it was the best and only offer we received since we are wholly unqualified for most any other job of that $$$ the system is archicted such that we are either forced to screw our customers on price/terms, or get laid off most people left after 14 months (75% of new hire sales reps), but very few are doing as well as they were at oracle
solipsism 10y ago
i appear to be rate limited so i will will either comment with edits or just wait until it expires This "you are posting too fast. Please slow down" BS is a real mistake on HN's part.
- grzm 10y ago
  It's likely put in place to prevent abuse by using new accounts to spam. I think it's a reasonable measure. I believe I've seen at least one case where the mods have exempted a new account used for legitimate purposes from this restriction. 'salesguy222 may want to contact them to request such an exemption. See the Contact link in the footer.
  - salesguy222 10y ago
    it was a bit frustrating to deal with because it was actually rate limited by IP, and after only what, maybe 5-6 posts in a 30 min period but i guess it isn't really a big deal because i am able to post now and at least i have a throwaway
    - grzm 10y ago
      Thanks for the clarification. The IP rate-limiting makes sense from a spam prevention perspective. If spammers can get around the limiter just by creating additional accounts, it would defeat the purpose of rate-limiting.
      - salesguy222 10y ago
        i agree with you on this, surprisingly posts on this site are a bit durable (a few days at the top pages?), so the urgency of commenting with a new account isn't as severe as something like 4chan I think if my opinion was truly valued urgently and anonymously, I should just make a paste bin or github post and let my writing stand as its own topic
rockdoe 10y ago
80k out of 140k employees are sales?
- salesguy222 10y ago
  yes that is correct, actually 89k if you wanted to be precise, with 39k in development/opps and 11k in HR, legal, admin of that 89k, it's important to know that i estimated 9k as being in marketing, sales dept finance, event organizing, CRM admin, etc but yes, +80k that are calling customers, presenting slide decks, drafting legal documents and quotes globally (majority US and romania)

hunterjrj 10y ago

Out of curiosity, what keeps you there?

overcast 10y ago
$$$
- salesguy222 10y ago
  yes, this poster is right, we all make 80-120k out of college and for many of us, it was the best and only offer we received since we are wholly unqualified for most any other job of that $$$ the system is archicted such that we are either forced to screw our customers on price/terms, or get laid off most people left after 14 months (75% of new hire sales reps), but very few are doing as well as they were at oracle

solipsism 10y ago

i appear to be rate limited so i will will either comment with edits or just wait until it expires This "you are posting too fast. Please slow down" BS is a real mistake on HN's part.

grzm 10y ago
It's likely put in place to prevent abuse by using new accounts to spam. I think it's a reasonable measure. I believe I've seen at least one case where the mods have exempted a new account used for legitimate purposes from this restriction. 'salesguy222 may want to contact them to request such an exemption. See the Contact link in the footer.
- salesguy222 10y ago
  it was a bit frustrating to deal with because it was actually rate limited by IP, and after only what, maybe 5-6 posts in a 30 min period but i guess it isn't really a big deal because i am able to post now and at least i have a throwaway
  - grzm 10y ago
    Thanks for the clarification. The IP rate-limiting makes sense from a spam prevention perspective. If spammers can get around the limiter just by creating additional accounts, it would defeat the purpose of rate-limiting.
    - salesguy222 10y ago
      i agree with you on this, surprisingly posts on this site are a bit durable (a few days at the top pages?), so the urgency of commenting with a new account isn't as severe as something like 4chan I think if my opinion was truly valued urgently and anonymously, I should just make a paste bin or github post and let my writing stand as its own topic

rockdoe 10y ago

80k out of 140k employees are sales?

salesguy222 10y ago
yes that is correct, actually 89k if you wanted to be precise, with 39k in development/opps and 11k in HR, legal, admin of that 89k, it's important to know that i estimated 9k as being in marketing, sales dept finance, event organizing, CRM admin, etc but yes, +80k that are calling customers, presenting slide decks, drafting legal documents and quotes globally (majority US and romania)