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Meanwhile, 9 years ago in China, people were already receiving this kind of therapy, but nobody believed them[1]. As Gibson has said, "The future is already he

Meanwhile, 9 years ago in China, people were already receiving this kind of therapy, but nobody believed them[1]. As Gibson has said, "The future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed." [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k1hts/i_am_a_28yr_old_american_who_went_to_china_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k1hts/i_am_a_28yr_old...

anjc 10y ago
It's crazy how arrogant a little knowledge can make some people, as seen in that Reddit thread.
- chc 10y ago
  I don't think wanting reasonable evidence before believing that a medical procedure works and works safely is the same thing as arrogance.
  - anjc 10y ago
    Yeah, wanting reasonable evidence before believing in the casual relationship between two events is fair. But in this case, the Redditor can't provide scientific proof, because he's a layman. What he can provide is evidence that he couldn't walk, received stem cell treatment, and then could walk. 90% of the top level comments effectively said "No, impossible, there must be some other reason that you can now walk". That is to say, they feel that because there's no evidence that it's possible, it's impossible until scientists prove that it is possible. Well no, that doesn't make sense and it isn't usually how things work. These people's small amount of knowledge of the scientific method has caused them to arrogantly discredit potentially real phenomenon. What's interesting is that one of the main top level comments which says "wow, I had a feeling this would be possible" is from an actual stem cell researcher.
    - chc 10y ago
      I looked at that thread, and the non-negative-score comments seem to range from credulous to reasonably skeptical, with none that are fairly characterized as "No, impossible!" In fact, given how sketchy the poster of that thread was being (e.g. linking to his non-medical blog when asked for medical details and saying he's too embarrassed to talk about it when asked again), I'd say people were pretty generous.
xupybd 10y ago
I also remember reading, in China, poorly executed stem cell therapy had lead to tumours in some patients. I think there is some merit to a more cautious approach.
lisivka 10y ago
In my country (Ukraine) stem therapy was used first in 2005 to recover broken bones. Now it used frequently to recover wounded soldiers (they already helped dozens of soldiers with astonishing results, like in article). Article (in Ukrainian) on reputable journal about soldier and private clinic: http://texty.org.ua/pg/article/editorial/read/60482/Klitynna_inzhenerija_ukrajinska_klinika_vyrostyla_kistky_13 http://texty.org.ua/pg/article/editorial/read/60482/Klitynna... Clinic (English site): ttp://www.ilaya.com/tissue-regeneration/ PS. Page at charity fund about project (in English): http://www.peoplesproject.com/en/biotech/ http://www.peoplesproject.com/en/biotech/ (Not a scam. They are frequently in our local news. Even Bloomberg and Guardian have articles about them: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/24/crowdfunding-war-ukraines-diy-drone-makers https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/24/crowdfund... )

anjc 10y ago

It's crazy how arrogant a little knowledge can make some people, as seen in that Reddit thread.

chc 10y ago
I don't think wanting reasonable evidence before believing that a medical procedure works and works safely is the same thing as arrogance.
- anjc 10y ago
  Yeah, wanting reasonable evidence before believing in the casual relationship between two events is fair. But in this case, the Redditor can't provide scientific proof, because he's a layman. What he can provide is evidence that he couldn't walk, received stem cell treatment, and then could walk. 90% of the top level comments effectively said "No, impossible, there must be some other reason that you can now walk". That is to say, they feel that because there's no evidence that it's possible, it's impossible until scientists prove that it is possible. Well no, that doesn't make sense and it isn't usually how things work. These people's small amount of knowledge of the scientific method has caused them to arrogantly discredit potentially real phenomenon. What's interesting is that one of the main top level comments which says "wow, I had a feeling this would be possible" is from an actual stem cell researcher.
  - chc 10y ago
    I looked at that thread, and the non-negative-score comments seem to range from credulous to reasonably skeptical, with none that are fairly characterized as "No, impossible!" In fact, given how sketchy the poster of that thread was being (e.g. linking to his non-medical blog when asked for medical details and saying he's too embarrassed to talk about it when asked again), I'd say people were pretty generous.

xupybd 10y ago

I also remember reading, in China, poorly executed stem cell therapy had lead to tumours in some patients. I think there is some merit to a more cautious approach.

lisivka 10y ago

In my country (Ukraine) stem therapy was used first in 2005 to recover broken bones. Now it used frequently to recover wounded soldiers (they already helped dozens of soldiers with astonishing results, like in article). Article (in Ukrainian) on reputable journal about soldier and private clinic: http://texty.org.ua/pg/article/editorial/read/60482/Klitynna_inzhenerija_ukrajinska_klinika_vyrostyla_kistky_13 http://texty.org.ua/pg/article/editorial/read/60482/Klitynna... Clinic (English site): ttp://www.ilaya.com/tissue-regeneration/ PS. Page at charity fund about project (in English): http://www.peoplesproject.com/en/biotech/ http://www.peoplesproject.com/en/biotech/ (Not a scam. They are frequently in our local news. Even Bloomberg and Guardian have articles about them: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/24/crowdfunding-war-ukraines-diy-drone-makers https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/24/crowdfund... )