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Is there some reason that Google didn't take the cloud services business as seriously as Amazon did? It looks like a huge moneymaker for Amazon, and from my rat

by Inconel 10y ago

Is there some reason that Google didn't take the cloud services business as seriously as Amazon did? It looks like a huge moneymaker for Amazon, and from my rather uninformed perspective, I would have thought it was much more aligned with Google's competencies than Amazon's.

beaver6969 10y ago
Google Cloud Platoform has really stepped up in recent times: https://cloud.google.com/products/ https://cloud.google.com/products/. They are getting their bottoms into gear.
- techdragon 10y ago
  Until their customer service experience is equivalent to AWS... I'll just keep paying google for things like the Maps API but do all my work on AWS. If the shit hits the fan... I need to guarantees, that as few things as possible could have caused it, and that I can get it fixed as fast as possible. Google does too much, my accounts are too connected, they associate things to deeply. I can't trust them with my business. With AWS the only way it stops is I told it to, or there was a billing issue. And if there was an issue, I had it fixed in under 15 minutes with one phone call. Google has yet to even try and give me that kind of experience in ANY aspect of their commercial services that I've paid for as. a customer.
  - t0mas88 10y ago
    Unfortunately for Google this is 100% true. They are in no way a good business partner to any commercial operation. While I think on a tech level they may have more brilliant engineers than Amazon, they can't seem to get the business side right.
flipp3r 10y ago
Well my 2cts.. I'm sure they take it serious but AWS has been around for longer, and developers seem to really like it, cause you can spin up a small environment and just play around with it. Google Cloud Platform exists now but I feel it's a bit late to the race. Google App Engine existed before Google Cloud Platform and it was super nice to use in my experience, however at the same time totally locked in with Google. If you wanted to get out it required a lot of development effort, which is not per se the same on AWS. Besides that, there was the Google App Engine bait-and-switch which screwed so many people over.. People who were doing low budget products on Google App Engine and basically had to migrate to something else immediately. This left a bad taste in my mouth and I'm sure I'm not the only one, I've never recommended Google App Engine after this. Last but not least Google has a super bad reputation when it comes to people's privacy, which many developers care a lot about.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > Last but not least Google has a super bad reputation when it comes to people's privacy Citation needed. Google has a pretty high reputation for privacy. They implement almost all industry best practices.
lithos 10y ago
Amazon is really good at operations that are very low margin. Google seems to brag about financial incompetence when it comes to "other" projects. If those statements are what you use to reason your way about why AWS was first it can make sense. Though if that's the real reason it's hard to say.
vgt 10y ago
Some relevant links that might give you a better idea of Google Cloud's current level of investment and technical capability: - Details of Google's own network (July 2015) [0] - Some more on reach of Google's network [1] - Recently publishes security principles paper [2] - A talk by Urs [3] - Some customer stories, including folks comparing various cloud providers' networks [4] [0] https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2015/06/A-Look-Inside-Googles-Data-Center-Networks.html https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2015/06/A-Look-Inside-G... [1] https://youtu.be/n9QtOyp4Mms?t=23m38s https://youtu.be/n9QtOyp4Mms?t=23m38s [2] https://cloud.google.com/security/whitepaper https://cloud.google.com/security/whitepaper [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4lqANaOqVo&index=2&list=PLIivdWyY5sqLybFjtihNRQ82V3BpoNEaQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4lqANaOqVo&index=2&list=PLI... [4] https://medium.com/google-cloud/i-think-google-cloud-is-the-best-best-tech-best-pricing-best-support-best-roadmap-and-best-4b4e17856505#.16yy5di2i https://medium.com/google-cloud/i-think-google-cloud-is-the-... (work at Google Cloud)
- Artemis2 10y ago
  So why is GCP down everywhere when an engineer makes a BGP configuration mistake? IMHO, from what I've seen of GCP's performance last year, it's still far behind AWS in terms of reliability.
obulpathi 10y ago
I am very happy to let you know that perspective is informed and correct too! Google Cloud is far better than AWS. Especially in things like Ease of use, scalability, big data, machine learning, NoOps, pricing Google Cloud beats AWS by miles margin.

by Inconel 10y ago

beaver6969 10y ago

Google Cloud Platoform has really stepped up in recent times: https://cloud.google.com/products/ https://cloud.google.com/products/. They are getting their bottoms into gear.

techdragon 10y ago
Until their customer service experience is equivalent to AWS... I'll just keep paying google for things like the Maps API but do all my work on AWS. If the shit hits the fan... I need to guarantees, that as few things as possible could have caused it, and that I can get it fixed as fast as possible. Google does too much, my accounts are too connected, they associate things to deeply. I can't trust them with my business. With AWS the only way it stops is I told it to, or there was a billing issue. And if there was an issue, I had it fixed in under 15 minutes with one phone call. Google has yet to even try and give me that kind of experience in ANY aspect of their commercial services that I've paid for as. a customer.
- t0mas88 10y ago
  Unfortunately for Google this is 100% true. They are in no way a good business partner to any commercial operation. While I think on a tech level they may have more brilliant engineers than Amazon, they can't seem to get the business side right.

flipp3r 10y ago

Well my 2cts.. I'm sure they take it serious but AWS has been around for longer, and developers seem to really like it, cause you can spin up a small environment and just play around with it. Google Cloud Platform exists now but I feel it's a bit late to the race. Google App Engine existed before Google Cloud Platform and it was super nice to use in my experience, however at the same time totally locked in with Google. If you wanted to get out it required a lot of development effort, which is not per se the same on AWS. Besides that, there was the Google App Engine bait-and-switch which screwed so many people over.. People who were doing low budget products on Google App Engine and basically had to migrate to something else immediately. This left a bad taste in my mouth and I'm sure I'm not the only one, I've never recommended Google App Engine after this. Last but not least Google has a super bad reputation when it comes to people's privacy, which many developers care a lot about.

jimmywanger 10y ago
> Last but not least Google has a super bad reputation when it comes to people's privacy Citation needed. Google has a pretty high reputation for privacy. They implement almost all industry best practices.

lithos 10y ago

Amazon is really good at operations that are very low margin. Google seems to brag about financial incompetence when it comes to "other" projects. If those statements are what you use to reason your way about why AWS was first it can make sense. Though if that's the real reason it's hard to say.

vgt 10y ago

Some relevant links that might give you a better idea of Google Cloud's current level of investment and technical capability: - Details of Google's own network (July 2015) [0] - Some more on reach of Google's network [1] - Recently publishes security principles paper [2] - A talk by Urs [3] - Some customer stories, including folks comparing various cloud providers' networks [4] [0] https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2015/06/A-Look-Inside-Googles-Data-Center-Networks.html https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2015/06/A-Look-Inside-G... [1] https://youtu.be/n9QtOyp4Mms?t=23m38s https://youtu.be/n9QtOyp4Mms?t=23m38s [2] https://cloud.google.com/security/whitepaper https://cloud.google.com/security/whitepaper [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4lqANaOqVo&index=2&list=PLIivdWyY5sqLybFjtihNRQ82V3BpoNEaQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4lqANaOqVo&index=2&list=PLI... [4] https://medium.com/google-cloud/i-think-google-cloud-is-the-best-best-tech-best-pricing-best-support-best-roadmap-and-best-4b4e17856505#.16yy5di2i https://medium.com/google-cloud/i-think-google-cloud-is-the-... (work at Google Cloud)

Artemis2 10y ago
So why is GCP down everywhere when an engineer makes a BGP configuration mistake? IMHO, from what I've seen of GCP's performance last year, it's still far behind AWS in terms of reliability.

obulpathi 10y ago

I am very happy to let you know that perspective is informed and correct too! Google Cloud is far better than AWS. Especially in things like Ease of use, scalability, big data, machine learning, NoOps, pricing Google Cloud beats AWS by miles margin.