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>and their behavior has been acceptable compared with that of others like Facebook. If you have the time, would you mind expanding on why you consider Google's

by Inconel 10y ago

>and their behavior has been acceptable compared with that of others like Facebook. If you have the time, would you mind expanding on why you consider Google's behavior better than Facebook's? I find myself very wary of FB but much less so of Google, but I can't really explain why.

illys 10y ago
I have the same feeling but I cannot find arguments: they make money by selling very similar materials. I think Google only better markets its intrusions than Facebook... Something to do with the public sentence "don't be evil". Indeed "evil" is like "common sense": everybody has its own and understands what comforts him/herself. Seems like pure marketing. Maybe someone has any argument about the reality of this different Google/Facebook privacy intrusion/protection feeling?
bad_user 10y ago
You're just biased, because Facebook has way more potential for doing you harm and has used your data against your interests already. Facebook manipulates the emotions of its users: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook-manipulated-689003-users-emotions-for-science/#69ae7561704d http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook-... MasterCard to access Facebook user data in order to make you spend more: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/business-it/mastercard-to-access-facebook-user-data-20141006-10qrqy.html http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/business-it/mastercard-to-ac... Facebook ads use your face for free: http://www.itworld.com/article/2746556/networking-hardware/facebook-ads-use-your-face-for-free.html http://www.itworld.com/article/2746556/networking-hardware/f... Facebook is inventing phony likes to promote stories you've never seen to your friends: https://web.archive.org/web/20161215092610/http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2013/01/21/facebook-is-recycling-your-likes-to-promote-stories-youve-never-seen-to-all-your-friends/#c29cc58596bd https://web.archive.org/web/20161215092610/http://www.forbes... Facebook guesses your race and uses it for targeting: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/facebooks-ad-platform-now-guesses-at-your-race-based-on-your-behavior/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/faceb... Facebook has been the main promoter of bogus news and misinformation in 2016: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-trending-false-news-stories https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-... Facebook has started to collect WhatsApp data, in spite of the app's original policy: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/25/whatsapp-backlash-facebook-data-privacy-users https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/25/whatsapp-... Facebook collects the texts that you don't send: https://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-conducts-research-on-status-updates-you-never-post/ https://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-c... Facebook tracks and builds user profiles for people without accounts: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-tracks-all-visitors-breaching-eu-law-report https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-... Facebook's privacy settings have been designed with black patterns, making it easy to publish by mistake: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/facebook-privacy-secret-profile-exposed https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/facebook-... Facebook makes it easy to tell when you're asleep: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/02/24/why-a-privacy-advocate-made-it-easy-to-track-when-your-facebook-friends-sleep/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/02/2...
- Inconel 10y ago
  Thanks for the links. I had heard of some of those issues but the sleep tracking and unsent text collection were new to me.
- at-fates-hands 10y ago
  Short story to support your articles. I used a fake name on FB since the first day I signed up along with a photo of my favorite rock star. About a year ago, someone outed me and FB locked my account and said unless I emailed them a copy of my drivers license or some form of identification that proved who I was, they would keep my account locked. I thought, "Whatever, I'll just fire up a new one." This past month I signed up a new account under a very generic name like "John Johnson". No problems. I never uploaded a photo, just connected with the handful of people (less than 5) and felt like, "ok, we're cool now". Yesterday, I got the same message and now the links you provided make a lot of sense as to why. FB really is after all of your data and essentially force you to give it to them, otherwise they hold your account hostage. Both times, I really felt like my privacy was being stampeded and this was a big intrusion to get at my personal information. No way am I going to give you an identifiable information about me. I already gave up an account I had used more or less for a decade instead of coughing up my personal information and photo. So yeah, I'm done with FB - not that I was ever a huge fan, but this past week just confirmed what I always suspected.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    Sure that's scary. But it also sounds like 'anti-fraud'. How could we distinguish the two? They're slammed if they want authentic accounts; they're slammed if folks create large numbers of spam accounts. How do we suppose they could win in this scenario?
    - at-fates-hands 10y ago
      Just do like most of the social media accounts do. Have algorithms that detect spam? Let users report on accounts being used to spam other users? Sure, if I'm someone abusing the system, this should be easy to ferret out without having to surrender all your personal information and identifying markers just to make a SOCIAL MEDIA platform free of spam.

by Inconel 10y ago

illys 10y ago

I have the same feeling but I cannot find arguments: they make money by selling very similar materials. I think Google only better markets its intrusions than Facebook... Something to do with the public sentence "don't be evil". Indeed "evil" is like "common sense": everybody has its own and understands what comforts him/herself. Seems like pure marketing. Maybe someone has any argument about the reality of this different Google/Facebook privacy intrusion/protection feeling?

bad_user 10y ago

You're just biased, because Facebook has way more potential for doing you harm and has used your data against your interests already. Facebook manipulates the emotions of its users: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook-manipulated-689003-users-emotions-for-science/#69ae7561704d http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook-... MasterCard to access Facebook user data in order to make you spend more: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/business-it/mastercard-to-access-facebook-user-data-20141006-10qrqy.html http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/business-it/mastercard-to-ac... Facebook ads use your face for free: http://www.itworld.com/article/2746556/networking-hardware/facebook-ads-use-your-face-for-free.html http://www.itworld.com/article/2746556/networking-hardware/f... Facebook is inventing phony likes to promote stories you've never seen to your friends: https://web.archive.org/web/20161215092610/http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2013/01/21/facebook-is-recycling-your-likes-to-promote-stories-youve-never-seen-to-all-your-friends/#c29cc58596bd https://web.archive.org/web/20161215092610/http://www.forbes... Facebook guesses your race and uses it for targeting: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/facebooks-ad-platform-now-guesses-at-your-race-based-on-your-behavior/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/faceb... Facebook has been the main promoter of bogus news and misinformation in 2016: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-trending-false-news-stories https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-... Facebook has started to collect WhatsApp data, in spite of the app's original policy: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/25/whatsapp-backlash-facebook-data-privacy-users https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/25/whatsapp-... Facebook collects the texts that you don't send: https://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-conducts-research-on-status-updates-you-never-post/ https://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-c... Facebook tracks and builds user profiles for people without accounts: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-tracks-all-visitors-breaching-eu-law-report https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-... Facebook's privacy settings have been designed with black patterns, making it easy to publish by mistake: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/facebook-privacy-secret-profile-exposed https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/facebook-... Facebook makes it easy to tell when you're asleep: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/02/24/why-a-privacy-advocate-made-it-easy-to-track-when-your-facebook-friends-sleep/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/02/2...

Inconel 10y ago
Thanks for the links. I had heard of some of those issues but the sleep tracking and unsent text collection were new to me.
at-fates-hands 10y ago
Short story to support your articles. I used a fake name on FB since the first day I signed up along with a photo of my favorite rock star. About a year ago, someone outed me and FB locked my account and said unless I emailed them a copy of my drivers license or some form of identification that proved who I was, they would keep my account locked. I thought, "Whatever, I'll just fire up a new one." This past month I signed up a new account under a very generic name like "John Johnson". No problems. I never uploaded a photo, just connected with the handful of people (less than 5) and felt like, "ok, we're cool now". Yesterday, I got the same message and now the links you provided make a lot of sense as to why. FB really is after all of your data and essentially force you to give it to them, otherwise they hold your account hostage. Both times, I really felt like my privacy was being stampeded and this was a big intrusion to get at my personal information. No way am I going to give you an identifiable information about me. I already gave up an account I had used more or less for a decade instead of coughing up my personal information and photo. So yeah, I'm done with FB - not that I was ever a huge fan, but this past week just confirmed what I always suspected.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Sure that's scary. But it also sounds like 'anti-fraud'. How could we distinguish the two? They're slammed if they want authentic accounts; they're slammed if folks create large numbers of spam accounts. How do we suppose they could win in this scenario?
  - at-fates-hands 10y ago
    Just do like most of the social media accounts do. Have algorithms that detect spam? Let users report on accounts being used to spam other users? Sure, if I'm someone abusing the system, this should be easy to ferret out without having to surrender all your personal information and identifying markers just to make a SOCIAL MEDIA platform free of spam.