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"I would genuinely enjoy someone explaining how dismissing the right-wing as sexist is any different than dismissing all of feminism as sexist because there exi
by guildwriter 10y ago
"I would genuinely enjoy someone explaining how dismissing the right-wing as sexist is any different than dismissing all of feminism as sexist because there exist sexist feminists."
You just said OP is demonstrating othering and slander and then you expect intellectual honesty? And then you get ferociously downvoted? I think you're better off spending time with the following writer than expecting a serious response to your question.
"Conservatives have made incredible hay out of the perception that liberals sneer at people who don’t live in coastal enclaves. These arguments accept that frame even as they dispute its conclusions, which is not a good argumentative strategy. Additionally, many of these tweets have replies sneering at “rednecks.” Why are you doing that? What is the political value? Aren’t you trying to win elections precisely in the places where these statements would appear most insulting? This is the unfortunate reality: neither the Electoral College nor the Senate are going anywhere anytime soon. They are facts of life. You can refuse to do what’s necessary to win back power in a country structurally designed to make red states disproportionately powerful while Republicans set about implementing an agenda. Or you can develop a strategic political discourse that demonstrates a sensible attitude towards how you frame your appeals. I get it: these aren’t campaign slogans or TV ads for Democrats. But the communal rhetoric of an ideology matters. The day-to-day messaging of the members of a political party matters. What exactly is the political advantage that you think you’re getting from talking like this?"
http://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/01/10/ok-lets-get-constructive/ http://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/01/10/ok-lets-get-constructive...
"His point is pretty simple: as political segregation increases, with people from dramatically different political camps less and less likely to interact, the really bitter political arguments are intra-group, not inter-group. That is, the battles that are most personal and toxic stop being Democrat-Republican but left-liberal, alt-trad, insurgents-establishment.
Alexander names a few indicative examples. Online atheism is a really good one, with battles within atheists of different dispositions being far more frequent and ugly than those between atheists and believers, precisely because the latter groups interact so rarely. Primary season 2016 was the ur-example. The actual presidential campaign was ugly in many ways. But the Sanders vs. Clinton and alt-right vs. establishment GOP fights were more personal, more tiring, more toxic. The perpetual tendency of Clinton partisans to say that Sanders supporters are “just as bad” as the alt-right – a Nazi-influenced far right extremist group, mind you – exemplifies this tendency. Fargroups are further away politically than neargroups, but they don’t live in our shared social and professional spaces while neargroups do, and so they don’t inspire quite the same kind of personal animus."
http://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/01/11/i-know-my-own-group-by-defining-whos-not-in-it/ http://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/01/11/i-know-my-own-group-by-d...
- jonathanyc 10y agoNot particularly in favor of either side, but are you seriously implying that responding to a claim that you apparently think is obviously wrong would be harder than doing what you just did? That doesn't inspire much confidence.
- guildwriter 10y agoWho said I thought he was obviously wrong? The point I was trying to make is that the likelihood of him getting the response that he was looking for from this audience is unlikely. Which is why I pointed him towards an audience/speaker that he might not know about that would be more in his line. Fredrik deBoer is a liberal writer who is also deeply dissatisfied with the current status of liberal thought. I thought that the person above me would enjoy someone who holds similar beliefs but is unhappy with how those beliefs are being communicated with people in general.
- SomeStupidPoint 10y agoFor the record, I didn't expect a serious reply here. But I also refuse to shut up because my views are unpopular (in some crowds) or they'll take away my internet points. People live and die because of these topics -- they're serious. That said, I appreciate the referral. I'm going to give some of his stuff a read.