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This post is unscientific and literally nonsense. There's no such thing as a "toxin" and reducing your adipose fat tissue does not poison your body. It's prec

by CPLX 10y ago

This post is unscientific and literally nonsense. There's no such thing as a "toxin" and reducing your adipose fat tissue does not poison your body. It's precisely this sort of magical thinking that the OP is trying to counter.

tzs 10y ago
You should probably rephrase. I think I get what you are trying to say, but the way you said it is way off. There most definitely are such things as "toxins". There are neurotoxins produced by black widows, most scorpions, box jellyfish, many algae and cyanobacteria, among others. There are necrotoxins produced by the brown recluse, rattlesnakes, puff adders for example. Heck, if there were no such thing as toxins, the "Journal of Venomous Animals and Toxins including Tropical Diseases" would have long ago dropped "and Toxins" from its name to save costs on ink :-). The Toxin and Toxin-Target database [1] would also have about 3700 less entries if toxins did not exist. [1] http://www.t3db.ca http://www.t3db.ca
- sametmax 10y ago
  Fair enough, my wording was inappropriate.
- CPLX 10y ago
  Not really. If I was in an argument with a UFO theorist where I said the US government wasn't actually hiding live aliens, and someone came along and pointed out that we have illegal aliens in custody, I would point out that this is true and irrelevant. The word toxin is widely used in "wellness" circles, but the concept so described does not exist. The fact that there is a correct, jargon-specific, scientific usage of the same term notwithstanding.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    Wellness people also have weird beliefs about vitamins, and vitamins are in fact complicated, but that doesn't mean I make little air quotes every time I refer to vitamins.
    - CPLX 10y ago
      Does this also apply to startup vitamins? [0] https://www.startupvitamins.com https://www.startupvitamins.com
sametmax 10y ago
I'm not a native english speaker, I don't know the proper world for this. Some molecules are things that have nothing to do in the body (Maillard reaction output, antibiotic in the meat, pesticide in fruits, etc). Some are just regular things we can process but in a greater concentration that is healthy. Some are just natural waste of our regular body processes, but in a greater quantity than we can manage in our current health. Basically nothing is a poison, it's a matter of quantity you absorb and can process. I just labeled it "toxin" because I don't have the vocabulary for it. There is no magic thinking about it. E.G: the blood PH must be at 7.40 PH. The body has mechanisms to ensure it stays that way. If the body is saturated with things bringing the PH down, it will try to get rid of it (through poop, urine and the like). I called them toxin, it was a bad choice. Fair enough. But the fact remains, if your blood PH goes down to 7.36, you are good for the hospital, and your body will try to avoid it. If it can't get rid of the responsible molecules, it will find a way to compensate. One way is to throw minerals at it since they are mostly basic. Another one is to dilute them by holding water. A last one is to wrap the molecule into fat, store it, so it can be processed later. Again, no magic thinking. My wording may not be perfect, but I don't see anything unreasonable in what I'm saying. However, I can't help but notice than 3 peoples opposed my explanation by blatantly rejecting it without arguments while I'm taking the time to respectfully demonstrate it. And give references to studies and books in another comment. Please don't be aggressive. If you know I'm wrong, just make your point with arguments.
xinyhn 10y ago
No intention of arguing as I don't believe this is a good reason for not losing weight; I believe that for other reasons. However, just thought you would be interested in this. Check out some of the recent studies on Persistent Organic Pollutants. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26469381 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26469381 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27281542 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27281542

by CPLX 10y ago

tzs 10y ago

You should probably rephrase. I think I get what you are trying to say, but the way you said it is way off. There most definitely are such things as "toxins". There are neurotoxins produced by black widows, most scorpions, box jellyfish, many algae and cyanobacteria, among others. There are necrotoxins produced by the brown recluse, rattlesnakes, puff adders for example. Heck, if there were no such thing as toxins, the "Journal of Venomous Animals and Toxins including Tropical Diseases" would have long ago dropped "and Toxins" from its name to save costs on ink :-). The Toxin and Toxin-Target database [1] would also have about 3700 less entries if toxins did not exist. [1] http://www.t3db.ca http://www.t3db.ca

sametmax 10y ago
Fair enough, my wording was inappropriate.
CPLX 10y ago
Not really. If I was in an argument with a UFO theorist where I said the US government wasn't actually hiding live aliens, and someone came along and pointed out that we have illegal aliens in custody, I would point out that this is true and irrelevant. The word toxin is widely used in "wellness" circles, but the concept so described does not exist. The fact that there is a correct, jargon-specific, scientific usage of the same term notwithstanding.
- tptacek 10y ago
  Wellness people also have weird beliefs about vitamins, and vitamins are in fact complicated, but that doesn't mean I make little air quotes every time I refer to vitamins.
  - CPLX 10y ago
    Does this also apply to startup vitamins? [0] https://www.startupvitamins.com https://www.startupvitamins.com

sametmax 10y ago

I'm not a native english speaker, I don't know the proper world for this. Some molecules are things that have nothing to do in the body (Maillard reaction output, antibiotic in the meat, pesticide in fruits, etc). Some are just regular things we can process but in a greater concentration that is healthy. Some are just natural waste of our regular body processes, but in a greater quantity than we can manage in our current health. Basically nothing is a poison, it's a matter of quantity you absorb and can process. I just labeled it "toxin" because I don't have the vocabulary for it. There is no magic thinking about it. E.G: the blood PH must be at 7.40 PH. The body has mechanisms to ensure it stays that way. If the body is saturated with things bringing the PH down, it will try to get rid of it (through poop, urine and the like). I called them toxin, it was a bad choice. Fair enough. But the fact remains, if your blood PH goes down to 7.36, you are good for the hospital, and your body will try to avoid it. If it can't get rid of the responsible molecules, it will find a way to compensate. One way is to throw minerals at it since they are mostly basic. Another one is to dilute them by holding water. A last one is to wrap the molecule into fat, store it, so it can be processed later. Again, no magic thinking. My wording may not be perfect, but I don't see anything unreasonable in what I'm saying. However, I can't help but notice than 3 peoples opposed my explanation by blatantly rejecting it without arguments while I'm taking the time to respectfully demonstrate it. And give references to studies and books in another comment. Please don't be aggressive. If you know I'm wrong, just make your point with arguments.

xinyhn 10y ago

No intention of arguing as I don't believe this is a good reason for not losing weight; I believe that for other reasons. However, just thought you would be interested in this. Check out some of the recent studies on Persistent Organic Pollutants. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26469381 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26469381 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27281542 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27281542