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Not everyone. FOSS doesn't.

by lottin 10y ago

StreamBright 10y ago
citation needed https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Analytics.md https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Analytics....
- AsyncAwait 10y ago
  That link says nothing about selling your data. Also note that while Homebrew may be open-source, it is not "free software".
  - clarry 10y ago
    What makes it nonfree?
    - AsyncAwait 10y ago
      The fact that it uses GA contradicts Free Software's definition of free software, however it is open-source.
  - mcintyre1994 10y ago
    BSD-2 license isn't free?
  - StreamBright 10y ago
    >>>> _Everyone_ is collecting our data nowadays. Who's left to sell it to? I confirm that he is probably right about _____collecting____ data. Yes, this most definitely includes FOSS software. If your qualifier for FOSS is not using GA or anything like that than your are right, however, most of probably still count brew as FOSS. Hope that helps.
provirus 10y ago
It's less prevailent and severe, but FOSS sometimes does: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-understand-your-browser-perf https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-u... There are probably lots of smaller examples; especially in Android.
edejong 10y ago
Ubuntu unity sells your searches in the desktop environment by default
- yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
  I thought they changed that?
- ardaozkal 10y ago
  Not since 16
  - edejong 10y ago
    Oops, my bad. But at least they did, which was my point to begin with. I said goodbye to Ubuntu and their raking since the notorious community discussion, even before it was implemented. They lost my trust and goodwill with that move.
- slgeorge 10y ago
  No Ubuntu doesn't, and nor has it every done. It connects on-line and off-line searches, so it shows you the result in on-line locations. The underlying assumption was that users increasingly see on-line and off-line content as all part of the same world ("their content"). The commercial aspect was that it connected to places like Amazon. It made money for Canonical by using affiliate links if the user chose to make a purchase. That is not the same as collecting all the history of the user and (anonymising) then selling that to a third-party or presenting adverts based on that data. The default is off as users felt searches by default connecting to external services was an invasion of privacy - that's different to "selling searches". Frankly, this closed-off the last viable manner for desktop Linux to secure a wider revenue stream of sufficient size to drive employing enough full time developers to keep up with the other platforms, in my personal opinion. FOSS doesn't change the dynamic that full-time developers cost real money. Source: I worked at Canonical from the early days of the desktop, for ~10 years.
  - edejong 10y ago

Not everyone. FOSS doesn't.

by lottin 10y ago

Not everyone. FOSS doesn't.

citation needed https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Analytics.md https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Analytics....

AsyncAwait 10y ago
That link says nothing about selling your data. Also note that while Homebrew may be open-source, it is not "free software".
- clarry 10y ago
  What makes it nonfree?
  - AsyncAwait 10y ago
    The fact that it uses GA contradicts Free Software's definition of free software, however it is open-source.
- mcintyre1994 10y ago
  BSD-2 license isn't free?
- StreamBright 10y ago
  >>>> _Everyone_ is collecting our data nowadays. Who's left to sell it to? I confirm that he is probably right about _____collecting____ data. Yes, this most definitely includes FOSS software. If your qualifier for FOSS is not using GA or anything like that than your are right, however, most of probably still count brew as FOSS. Hope that helps.

provirus 10y ago

It's less prevailent and severe, but FOSS sometimes does: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-understand-your-browser-perf https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-u... There are probably lots of smaller examples; especially in Android.

edejong 10y ago

Ubuntu unity sells your searches in the desktop environment by default

yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
I thought they changed that?
ardaozkal 10y ago
Not since 16
- edejong 10y ago
  Oops, my bad. But at least they did, which was my point to begin with. I said goodbye to Ubuntu and their raking since the notorious community discussion, even before it was implemented. They lost my trust and goodwill with that move.
slgeorge 10y ago
No Ubuntu doesn't, and nor has it every done. It connects on-line and off-line searches, so it shows you the result in on-line locations. The underlying assumption was that users increasingly see on-line and off-line content as all part of the same world ("their content"). The commercial aspect was that it connected to places like Amazon. It made money for Canonical by using affiliate links if the user chose to make a purchase. That is not the same as collecting all the history of the user and (anonymising) then selling that to a third-party or presenting adverts based on that data. The default is off as users felt searches by default connecting to external services was an invasion of privacy - that's different to "selling searches". Frankly, this closed-off the last viable manner for desktop Linux to secure a wider revenue stream of sufficient size to drive employing enough full time developers to keep up with the other platforms, in my personal opinion. FOSS doesn't change the dynamic that full-time developers cost real money. Source: I worked at Canonical from the early days of the desktop, for ~10 years.
- edejong 10y ago