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Not exactly true. For the same amount of calories, the quality of food may or may not impact your weight. You can eat 4000 calories/day in banana and loose weig

Not exactly true. For the same amount of calories, the quality of food may or may not impact your weight. You can eat 4000 calories/day in banana and loose weight, but eat 2500 in cheese burger and gain. I tested that on myself. The body does not blindnessly store excess in absorbed energy. It stores fat for many other reasons. One of them is to regulate the blood PH: if you saturate your organism with too much toxic food, you won't process it fast enough. To avoid crossing the unfamous 7.40 PH threshold, one strategy is to use fat to wrap toxic molecules and put them aside on your belly so you can deal with it later. Unfortunately with our current life style, this "later" never comes.

philfrasty 10y ago
„You can eat 4000 calories/day in banana and loose weight, but eat 2500 in cheese burger and gain.“ This my friend, is not true. Not true in like...completely false. (source: Bodybuilding for a long long time...dieting 6 months every year...bulking up the other 6 months of the year...been counting every calorie for years)
- sametmax 10y ago
  Again I tested it on myself. I tried so many diets it's not funny: - full prot diet; - mono-diet; - fasting; - raw food diet; - veggie; - vegan; - classic 'balanced diet'; - body-building diet where you weight your chicken; - and of course the good old "student-fast-food" diet. I usually take blood samples before and after and graph my weight and IMC.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >Again I tested it on myself. It doesn't matter, it's still not true. And there are tons of ways the measuring can go wrong or be misleading.
    - sametmax 10y ago
      In the bottom comment I provided links to resources dealing with food toxicity. Part of them deal with toxicity and weight. Would you provide the resources to counter examples ? It's only fair to have literature to compare the 2 point of views.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >In the bottom comment I provided links to resources dealing with food toxicity. You just provided general resources about food and nutrition (based on the links I'm familiar with -- others could be pseudo-science). Give some specific excerpts about "toxins" and we can discuss them. All food has side effects (e.g. too much sugar and diabetes, micro-allergies, cured meat and cancer, etc). This is not the same as some unspecified BS "toxins". It also has nothing to do with "I eat less calories and I get fatter compared to eating more" which was the original claim we disputed -- which is absolutely incorrect. http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/ http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/ http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/colon-detoxification-myth-vs-science/ http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/colon... https://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/ https://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-de... http://firstwefeast.com/eat/2014/12/sorry-but-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-detox http://firstwefeast.com/eat/2014/12/sorry-but-theres-no-such... http://www.livescience.com/34845-detox-cleansing-facts-fallacies.html http://www.livescience.com/34845-detox-cleansing-facts-falla... https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-... http://skepdic.com/detox.html http://skepdic.com/detox.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_medicine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...
        sametmax 10y ago
        > You just provided general resources about food and nutrition Well of course, why would I not ? They include the knowledge I'm using right now. However I can't help but notice you provide blog posts with opinions, not studies or books. Again I agree that using the word "toxin" was not a good choice. I'm not a native English speaker, I don't know any proper term for "things the body can't process, and that harms it". > I eat less calories and I get fatter compared to eating more Yes it has. A calorie is always in a context. It's extracted it and from this context. During this process, molecules that can harm the body can enter it, or be produced in it. Since using fat to wrap molecules is one of the ways the body cope with it, it has an impact on it. I'm not saying eating only banana is healthy, but it has few chances of triggering the late mechanism.
tomp 10y ago
I'd like to read more about this. Are there any sources/studies/articles of these mechanisms?
- sametmax 10y ago
  Some good starting point: - The classic "Samson Wright's Applied Physiology, Thirteenth Edition". It's very broad, but a strong base is always nice : https://www.amazon.com/Wrights-Physiology-Thirteenth-Medicine-Publications/dp/0192632108/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485427346&sr=8-1&keywords=Samson+Wright https://www.amazon.com/Wrights-Physiology-Thirteenth-Medicin... - How not to die. A good balanced between scientific references and averge joe explanations: https://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/dp/1250066115 https://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/d... - The China Study. Live study on millions of people to correlate quality of food and health instead of just quantity : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study) - "Constitution des organismes animaux et végétaux Causes des maladies qui les atteignent" is a fantastic complement but I don't know if it exists in english. Careful though, it has a controversial point of view on vaccines. Still worth it: https://www.amazon.fr/Constitution-organismes-bact%C3%A9rienne-linefficacit%C3%A9-vaccinations/dp/B0193UU9NA/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1485427476&sr=1-2&keywords=Docteur+J+Tissot https://www.amazon.fr/Constitution-organismes-bact%C3%A9rien...
lukevdp 10y ago
Not true. Check out the Twinkie diet: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=twinkie+diet&rlz=1C9BKJA_enAU720AU720&oq=twinkie+diet&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i61.2599j0j9&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com.au/search?q=twinkie+diet&rlz=1C9BKJA_...

philfrasty 10y ago

„You can eat 4000 calories/day in banana and loose weight, but eat 2500 in cheese burger and gain.“ This my friend, is not true. Not true in like...completely false. (source: Bodybuilding for a long long time...dieting 6 months every year...bulking up the other 6 months of the year...been counting every calorie for years)

sametmax 10y ago
Again I tested it on myself. I tried so many diets it's not funny: - full prot diet; - mono-diet; - fasting; - raw food diet; - veggie; - vegan; - classic 'balanced diet'; - body-building diet where you weight your chicken; - and of course the good old "student-fast-food" diet. I usually take blood samples before and after and graph my weight and IMC.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >Again I tested it on myself. It doesn't matter, it's still not true. And there are tons of ways the measuring can go wrong or be misleading.
  - sametmax 10y ago
    In the bottom comment I provided links to resources dealing with food toxicity. Part of them deal with toxicity and weight. Would you provide the resources to counter examples ? It's only fair to have literature to compare the 2 point of views.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >In the bottom comment I provided links to resources dealing with food toxicity. You just provided general resources about food and nutrition (based on the links I'm familiar with -- others could be pseudo-science). Give some specific excerpts about "toxins" and we can discuss them. All food has side effects (e.g. too much sugar and diabetes, micro-allergies, cured meat and cancer, etc). This is not the same as some unspecified BS "toxins". It also has nothing to do with "I eat less calories and I get fatter compared to eating more" which was the original claim we disputed -- which is absolutely incorrect. http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/ http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/ http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/colon-detoxification-myth-vs-science/ http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/colon... https://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/ https://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-de... http://firstwefeast.com/eat/2014/12/sorry-but-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-detox http://firstwefeast.com/eat/2014/12/sorry-but-theres-no-such... http://www.livescience.com/34845-detox-cleansing-facts-fallacies.html http://www.livescience.com/34845-detox-cleansing-facts-falla... https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-... http://skepdic.com/detox.html http://skepdic.com/detox.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_medicine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...
      - sametmax 10y ago
        > You just provided general resources about food and nutrition Well of course, why would I not ? They include the knowledge I'm using right now. However I can't help but notice you provide blog posts with opinions, not studies or books. Again I agree that using the word "toxin" was not a good choice. I'm not a native English speaker, I don't know any proper term for "things the body can't process, and that harms it". > I eat less calories and I get fatter compared to eating more Yes it has. A calorie is always in a context. It's extracted it and from this context. During this process, molecules that can harm the body can enter it, or be produced in it. Since using fat to wrap molecules is one of the ways the body cope with it, it has an impact on it. I'm not saying eating only banana is healthy, but it has few chances of triggering the late mechanism.

tomp 10y ago

I'd like to read more about this. Are there any sources/studies/articles of these mechanisms?

sametmax 10y ago
Some good starting point: - The classic "Samson Wright's Applied Physiology, Thirteenth Edition". It's very broad, but a strong base is always nice : https://www.amazon.com/Wrights-Physiology-Thirteenth-Medicine-Publications/dp/0192632108/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485427346&sr=8-1&keywords=Samson+Wright https://www.amazon.com/Wrights-Physiology-Thirteenth-Medicin... - How not to die. A good balanced between scientific references and averge joe explanations: https://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/dp/1250066115 https://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/d... - The China Study. Live study on millions of people to correlate quality of food and health instead of just quantity : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study) - "Constitution des organismes animaux et végétaux Causes des maladies qui les atteignent" is a fantastic complement but I don't know if it exists in english. Careful though, it has a controversial point of view on vaccines. Still worth it: https://www.amazon.fr/Constitution-organismes-bact%C3%A9rienne-linefficacit%C3%A9-vaccinations/dp/B0193UU9NA/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1485427476&sr=1-2&keywords=Docteur+J+Tissot https://www.amazon.fr/Constitution-organismes-bact%C3%A9rien...

lukevdp 10y ago

Not true. Check out the Twinkie diet: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=twinkie+diet&rlz=1C9BKJA_enAU720AU720&oq=twinkie+diet&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i61.2599j0j9&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com.au/search?q=twinkie+diet&rlz=1C9BKJA_...