> Look, if you stray from initial point and keep moving goal posts, don't expect me to be kind. I'm not asking you to be kind. I expect you to either read what

> Look, if you stray from initial point and keep moving goal posts, don't expect me to be kind. I'm not asking you to be kind. I expect you to either read what I write, or be polite enough to discuss the misunderstandings without being rude. Neither of those have consistently been the case so far. You feel like I'm moving goalposts, I don't see how that's true because I've spent most of this conversation trying to interpret and reword the things you're saying to openly attempt to understand what you're getting at. I haven't found your comments so far very clear. >... Also you blatantly misrepresent what I said Not at all. I said openly that I didn't follow your point: "Sorry I'm not sure what your point is here. You SEEM to be..." [emphasis added]. I don't think it's a reasonable position that I'm "blatantly misrepresenting" what you said there. I openly stated my confusion at the point you were trying to make. I'm happy to discuss opposing views but please drop the attitude. It's neither helpful nor necessary... but I'll have another go at trying to find the source of our disagreement. > That seems like a clear (and wrong) point. Free speech, freedom to move and so on are human rights and everybody understand that. One prisoner has none of these. I disagree. Prisoners should have fundamental rights (and do in many cases, it varies wildly). There are organisations who spend a lot of time watching for & correcting human rights violations within the criminal justice system (Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, ACLU). Freedom to move is a point worth discussing too. I think "freedom to move" while often discussed as a fundamental right is interpreted as freedom of residence, or to not be stopped while travelling around a state; I don't think it means everyone should be allowed to go everywhere at all times. I don't think anyone would think it reasonable to let serial killers roam around freely. > But that rule doesn't work. We suspend basic human rights to prisoners because, well, they're prisoners and there are good reasons to do it. So your assertion here is that prisoners are stripped of all human rights? Which country does that?