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When I eat carbs, I put on weight. When I don't, I lose weight. However, other people I know are the opposite. Quite honestly, I think you can't generalise 'die

by ENTP 10y ago

When I eat carbs, I put on weight. When I don't, I lose weight. However, other people I know are the opposite. Quite honestly, I think you can't generalise 'diets' or eating advice as, frankly, it would appear that different people's bodies work in slightly different ways. This could explain the vast array of different advice that, often times, seems contradictory.

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Freestyler_3 10y ago
I can eat anything and wont gain weight. It really seems like there is too much diversity in how we handle food inside our body. The best diet is to try some things(experiment) and do whatever works best, not what feels best. Too many of these diets read like they are the most fun thing to do in the world. Also a lot of people have the tendency to get their goal and then stop the diet only to gain weight again (then dismiss the diet because it didn't work) And this gain shows how people can work differently inside. Some will not gain back the weight after a diet, others would need to diet for life.
- wruza 10y ago
  This worked for me too, I could eat any amounts of anything and weight even less than normal. Then I realized (well, my gastroenterologist did) that my liver had a pretty common pathology all that time and it started to make harm. We quickly fixed that and now I have to choose what to eat, because gaining, say, 5kg in one week is a no-brainer now. This is the story of one specific issue with a human body, that has tens if not hundreds of them.
  - Freestyler_3 10y ago
    Its surprising how fast things can change. If it ever changes for me I know ill have it hard because I eat a lot of snacks and delicious sandwiches.
- sametmax 10y ago
  This is not exactly true. Yes, there is a big variance in the way people process food. But people also usually exhibits common characteristics: - they don't eat that much on average. While they may sometime eat a lot, if you what the quantity during one week, you'll see they eat less than most people. - they eat slowly. Those 2 things alone allow you to process a certain amount of unbalanced diet. BTW, if anybody want to loose weight, the second one, eating slowing, on a table doing nothing else than eating, and chewing a lot, is a good starting point. You don't need to change your diet and you will loose quite some weight. A 3rd thing is that indeed, somebody type will be able to eat a lot of things and not gain weight. But it's not a good thing. Eating a bad diet will bring toxins in your body. The body usually process it with various organs. But if it can't because the amount is too important, it has 3 strategies: - watering it down. Diluting toxins by holding a lot of water in the body. Typically the 4 pounds you take on Xmas. It's not fat, it's water. - wrapping it in fat. Love handles are actually temporary storage for emergency that got a bit permanent. This is why people say it's the most toxic fat and the hardest to loose. Fat people fall into this category. - using minerals to bring your blood PH up. Thin people with a bad diet fall into this category. Now if you eat a lot of greens, you'll have the minerals to play this game and it's ok. But most people don't eat enough vegetable to allow that, so the body take minerals from various part of the body, including the bones. Instead of getting fat, you destroy your skeleton. It's not a good thing.
  - snaily 10y ago
    Do you have a citation for your assertions - perhaps one with more specifics than unnamed "toxins"?
    - sametmax 10y ago
      Again I'm not a native english speaker, "toxins" is just a generic world I used to try to convey "anything the body can't process right now, how that is destroy it". "Some molecules are things that have nothing to do in the body (Maillard reaction output, antibiotic in the meat, pesticide in fruits, etc). Some are just regular things we can process but in a greater concentration that is healthy. Some are just natural waste of our regular body processes, but in a greater quantity than we can manage in our current health." I gave references on studies in another comment.
oculusthrift 10y ago
the only thing that matters for weight (barring some serious disorders) is the balance of energy. eat excessive calories and your body stores it as fat. eat too little and your body burns fat for energy. regarding carbs: they make about 50 pct of the average persons caloric intake and they really aren't filling (atleast simple carbs). so cutting them out usually means getting rid of s major source of calories and usually replacing it with something more filling. lowering fats would work as well since itd lower overall calories.
- ENTP 10y ago
  Weirdly, I find increasing fat intake makes me lose weight faster. This is probably because it's hard to eat lots of fat, but easy to consume the equivalent calories through carbs (I'm looking at you Oreo milkshakes...)
  - arghIdontwantto 10y ago
    I still don't understand this idea that is hard to eat a lot of fat. Lean protein sure, there is a limit to the number of chicken breasts I can eat, but fat? Bacon, Cheese, Fatty meats. I can easily eat 1000-1500kcal in a single meal without feeling really full. I eat 4-5 eggs with bacon with a bit of butter, being around 750kcals for breakfast and then by lunch time, want to eat a bunch again. I easily eat a pound of meat/baby ribs that go over 1000kcals easily (black iberian pig baby back ribs are more fat than anything else) and after a few hours I will be hungry. I'm a small guy so 2000kcal is about the food I need to keep my weight and I work out a lot.
    - johnward 10y ago
      "fat bombs" are something I never understood in low carb communities. It's not hard at all to eat fat without supplementing. I eat bacon, eggs, red meat, salad dressing, dairy, etc and get plenty of fat.
      - arghIdontwantto 10y ago
xaviers 10y ago
I can generalise diets pretty easy. Eat less calories than you burn and loose weight. Eat whatever you want if you can abide by this rule you will loose the weight. But to be healthy. Well you have to eat healthy to be healthy. And that means getting all the fat, carbs and protein your body needs. And what your body needs I agree you can't generalise.
- legulere 10y ago
  This is true, but it ignores a lot of other things that are going on: Absorption and digestion can greatly vary between humans. (A Common example are algae). What kind of micro and macronutrients you eat will directly and indirectly affect your metabolism. What you eat will affect your hunger. Those and other complex interplays lead to things that are counterintuitive. For instance there recently was some study that drinking soda with artificial sweetener also leads to obesity, if I remember correctly.
  - 234dd57d2c8db 10y ago
    None of that matters. If you're gaining weight, consume less calories until you start losing weight. Safe weight loss is a lb a week. It will take quite some time to safely slim down. That is the problem, it took years to put on the weight, people try eating less for a couple weeks and throw up their hands! People don't realize if they are 50lbs overweight, it will take about a year to lose all that safely and comfortably.
- ivanhoe 10y ago
  > if you can abide by this rule you will loose the weight This is the key point and it makes all the difference. You need to be able to stay on the diet for a sufficiently long time, and that's why different approaches are needed fro different people. If you eat carbs you need to measure carefully every meal and calculate the calories, which to many people very quickly gets extremely annoying. On low carb diets you don't have to. Also there are mood changes depending on the taste of the food that you eat. If you like eating meat and veggies, low-carb diets taste great, you enjoy every meal. It makes it much easier to abide the rules. Also general mental state is important, high stress and depression will sabotage your efforts. Diets are not just about nutrition, that's one of the biggest misconceptions. Psychology and physical activities play equally, if not more important role in dieting.
Gatsky 10y ago
Your comment is absolutely spot on [1]. [1] http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(15)01481-6 http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(15)01481-6
- philfrasty 10y ago
  I see the article talking about a „interpersonal variability in post-meal glucose levels“. But there is no mention of the parent-comments main point „When I eat carbs, I put on weight“ .... which might be an indirect effect of a higher blood glucose level (more hungry) ...but definitely not a direct effect.
  - ENTP 10y ago
    Not sure if i fully understood you correctly, but yes, I feel a lot more hungry when eatinv more carbs. A good example of this is toast: no matter how many slices i eat, i'm never full. It actually makes me just want to eat more....
    - philfrasty 10y ago
      „when eating more carbs...toast“ You eat the wrong kind of carbs. The kind of carbs you eat have ZERO fiber...so of course you will be hungry. Eat a bowl of oatmeal (100g) with a banana and milk, add a little cinnamon, heat on the stove or in the microwave and you are set for the next 8 hours.
      - ENTP 10y ago
        I so wish that were true. I experience crashes on a regular basis when eating such food. There is no way i can go more than 4-6 hours without eating, apart from sleeping. My crashes come quick and once almost lead to a blackout. I don't experience this eating high fat/protein food.
  - Gatsky 10y ago
    The article isn't pay walled for once, I encourage you to read it, I consider it a ray of sunshine in the current darkness of nutritional science. They use the post-prandial glucose response (PPGR) as a surrogate marker for how the body absorbs and metabolises food. Spikes in glucose levels after a meal are considered 'bad' as they cause large excursions in insulin secretion, and are associated with diabetes, heart disease and obesity. They found a wide range of inter-personal variability in how particular foods affect blood glucose levels after a meal. Some people could eat a pizza for example, and the PPGR would hardly budge, whereas for others it would surge. The gut microbiome seemed to be important to this response. I believe the scientists have formed a company which plans to make personalised nutrition suggestions based on microbiome analysis, among other things. See also here: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/a-personalized-diet-better-suited-to-you/ http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/a-personalized-diet...
coldtea 10y ago
>When I eat carbs, I put on weight. When I don't, I lose weight. However, other people I know are the opposite. I doubt so. If you stick to protein and vegetables with no carbs and sugars in general, you get lots of filling fiber, and fewer calories, unless they consume huge quantities of lard or bacon every day, or drink sugars (e.g. in juices or sodas), etc. So those people are doing something wrong.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  > vegetables with no carbs Unless you're eating something that's (almost) 100% cellulose, that's not correct. Most plants have carbs
  - thomasahle 10y ago
    Cellulose is a carbohydrate too.
    - raverbashing 10y ago
      Chemically I'm not sure, but it amounts to dietary fiber as it's not digestible by humans
      - thomasahle 10y ago
        From http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/cfb/carbohydrates.htm http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/cfb/carbohyd... > Carbohydrates (also called saccharides) are molecular compounds made from just three elements: carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. Monosaccharides (e.g. glucose) and disaccharides (e.g. sucrose) are relatively small molecules. They are often called sugars. Other carbohydrate molecules are very large (polysaccharides such as starch and cellulose). I wish people would stop hating on "carbs" and redirect their disdain to sugars / small carbohydrates.
      - krzyk 10y ago
        Fiber is carbohydrate also, but one that is not digestible by humans.

by ENTP 10y ago

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Freestyler_3 10y ago

I can eat anything and wont gain weight. It really seems like there is too much diversity in how we handle food inside our body. The best diet is to try some things(experiment) and do whatever works best, not what feels best. Too many of these diets read like they are the most fun thing to do in the world. Also a lot of people have the tendency to get their goal and then stop the diet only to gain weight again (then dismiss the diet because it didn't work) And this gain shows how people can work differently inside. Some will not gain back the weight after a diet, others would need to diet for life.

wruza 10y ago
This worked for me too, I could eat any amounts of anything and weight even less than normal. Then I realized (well, my gastroenterologist did) that my liver had a pretty common pathology all that time and it started to make harm. We quickly fixed that and now I have to choose what to eat, because gaining, say, 5kg in one week is a no-brainer now. This is the story of one specific issue with a human body, that has tens if not hundreds of them.
- Freestyler_3 10y ago
  Its surprising how fast things can change. If it ever changes for me I know ill have it hard because I eat a lot of snacks and delicious sandwiches.
sametmax 10y ago
This is not exactly true. Yes, there is a big variance in the way people process food. But people also usually exhibits common characteristics: - they don't eat that much on average. While they may sometime eat a lot, if you what the quantity during one week, you'll see they eat less than most people. - they eat slowly. Those 2 things alone allow you to process a certain amount of unbalanced diet. BTW, if anybody want to loose weight, the second one, eating slowing, on a table doing nothing else than eating, and chewing a lot, is a good starting point. You don't need to change your diet and you will loose quite some weight. A 3rd thing is that indeed, somebody type will be able to eat a lot of things and not gain weight. But it's not a good thing. Eating a bad diet will bring toxins in your body. The body usually process it with various organs. But if it can't because the amount is too important, it has 3 strategies: - watering it down. Diluting toxins by holding a lot of water in the body. Typically the 4 pounds you take on Xmas. It's not fat, it's water. - wrapping it in fat. Love handles are actually temporary storage for emergency that got a bit permanent. This is why people say it's the most toxic fat and the hardest to loose. Fat people fall into this category. - using minerals to bring your blood PH up. Thin people with a bad diet fall into this category. Now if you eat a lot of greens, you'll have the minerals to play this game and it's ok. But most people don't eat enough vegetable to allow that, so the body take minerals from various part of the body, including the bones. Instead of getting fat, you destroy your skeleton. It's not a good thing.
- snaily 10y ago
  Do you have a citation for your assertions - perhaps one with more specifics than unnamed "toxins"?
  - sametmax 10y ago
    Again I'm not a native english speaker, "toxins" is just a generic world I used to try to convey "anything the body can't process right now, how that is destroy it". "Some molecules are things that have nothing to do in the body (Maillard reaction output, antibiotic in the meat, pesticide in fruits, etc). Some are just regular things we can process but in a greater concentration that is healthy. Some are just natural waste of our regular body processes, but in a greater quantity than we can manage in our current health." I gave references on studies in another comment.

oculusthrift 10y ago

the only thing that matters for weight (barring some serious disorders) is the balance of energy. eat excessive calories and your body stores it as fat. eat too little and your body burns fat for energy. regarding carbs: they make about 50 pct of the average persons caloric intake and they really aren't filling (atleast simple carbs). so cutting them out usually means getting rid of s major source of calories and usually replacing it with something more filling. lowering fats would work as well since itd lower overall calories.

ENTP 10y ago
Weirdly, I find increasing fat intake makes me lose weight faster. This is probably because it's hard to eat lots of fat, but easy to consume the equivalent calories through carbs (I'm looking at you Oreo milkshakes...)
- arghIdontwantto 10y ago
  I still don't understand this idea that is hard to eat a lot of fat. Lean protein sure, there is a limit to the number of chicken breasts I can eat, but fat? Bacon, Cheese, Fatty meats. I can easily eat 1000-1500kcal in a single meal without feeling really full. I eat 4-5 eggs with bacon with a bit of butter, being around 750kcals for breakfast and then by lunch time, want to eat a bunch again. I easily eat a pound of meat/baby ribs that go over 1000kcals easily (black iberian pig baby back ribs are more fat than anything else) and after a few hours I will be hungry. I'm a small guy so 2000kcal is about the food I need to keep my weight and I work out a lot.
  - johnward 10y ago
    "fat bombs" are something I never understood in low carb communities. It's not hard at all to eat fat without supplementing. I eat bacon, eggs, red meat, salad dressing, dairy, etc and get plenty of fat.
    - arghIdontwantto 10y ago

xaviers 10y ago

I can generalise diets pretty easy. Eat less calories than you burn and loose weight. Eat whatever you want if you can abide by this rule you will loose the weight. But to be healthy. Well you have to eat healthy to be healthy. And that means getting all the fat, carbs and protein your body needs. And what your body needs I agree you can't generalise.

legulere 10y ago
This is true, but it ignores a lot of other things that are going on: Absorption and digestion can greatly vary between humans. (A Common example are algae). What kind of micro and macronutrients you eat will directly and indirectly affect your metabolism. What you eat will affect your hunger. Those and other complex interplays lead to things that are counterintuitive. For instance there recently was some study that drinking soda with artificial sweetener also leads to obesity, if I remember correctly.
- 234dd57d2c8db 10y ago
  None of that matters. If you're gaining weight, consume less calories until you start losing weight. Safe weight loss is a lb a week. It will take quite some time to safely slim down. That is the problem, it took years to put on the weight, people try eating less for a couple weeks and throw up their hands! People don't realize if they are 50lbs overweight, it will take about a year to lose all that safely and comfortably.
ivanhoe 10y ago
> if you can abide by this rule you will loose the weight This is the key point and it makes all the difference. You need to be able to stay on the diet for a sufficiently long time, and that's why different approaches are needed fro different people. If you eat carbs you need to measure carefully every meal and calculate the calories, which to many people very quickly gets extremely annoying. On low carb diets you don't have to. Also there are mood changes depending on the taste of the food that you eat. If you like eating meat and veggies, low-carb diets taste great, you enjoy every meal. It makes it much easier to abide the rules. Also general mental state is important, high stress and depression will sabotage your efforts. Diets are not just about nutrition, that's one of the biggest misconceptions. Psychology and physical activities play equally, if not more important role in dieting.

Gatsky 10y ago

Your comment is absolutely spot on [1]. [1] http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(15)01481-6 http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(15)01481-6

philfrasty 10y ago
I see the article talking about a „interpersonal variability in post-meal glucose levels“. But there is no mention of the parent-comments main point „When I eat carbs, I put on weight“ .... which might be an indirect effect of a higher blood glucose level (more hungry) ...but definitely not a direct effect.
- ENTP 10y ago
  Not sure if i fully understood you correctly, but yes, I feel a lot more hungry when eatinv more carbs. A good example of this is toast: no matter how many slices i eat, i'm never full. It actually makes me just want to eat more....
  - philfrasty 10y ago
    „when eating more carbs...toast“ You eat the wrong kind of carbs. The kind of carbs you eat have ZERO fiber...so of course you will be hungry. Eat a bowl of oatmeal (100g) with a banana and milk, add a little cinnamon, heat on the stove or in the microwave and you are set for the next 8 hours.
    - ENTP 10y ago
      I so wish that were true. I experience crashes on a regular basis when eating such food. There is no way i can go more than 4-6 hours without eating, apart from sleeping. My crashes come quick and once almost lead to a blackout. I don't experience this eating high fat/protein food.
- Gatsky 10y ago
  The article isn't pay walled for once, I encourage you to read it, I consider it a ray of sunshine in the current darkness of nutritional science. They use the post-prandial glucose response (PPGR) as a surrogate marker for how the body absorbs and metabolises food. Spikes in glucose levels after a meal are considered 'bad' as they cause large excursions in insulin secretion, and are associated with diabetes, heart disease and obesity. They found a wide range of inter-personal variability in how particular foods affect blood glucose levels after a meal. Some people could eat a pizza for example, and the PPGR would hardly budge, whereas for others it would surge. The gut microbiome seemed to be important to this response. I believe the scientists have formed a company which plans to make personalised nutrition suggestions based on microbiome analysis, among other things. See also here: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/a-personalized-diet-better-suited-to-you/ http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/a-personalized-diet...

coldtea 10y ago

>When I eat carbs, I put on weight. When I don't, I lose weight. However, other people I know are the opposite. I doubt so. If you stick to protein and vegetables with no carbs and sugars in general, you get lots of filling fiber, and fewer calories, unless they consume huge quantities of lard or bacon every day, or drink sugars (e.g. in juices or sodas), etc. So those people are doing something wrong.

raverbashing 10y ago
> vegetables with no carbs Unless you're eating something that's (almost) 100% cellulose, that's not correct. Most plants have carbs
- thomasahle 10y ago
  Cellulose is a carbohydrate too.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    Chemically I'm not sure, but it amounts to dietary fiber as it's not digestible by humans
    - thomasahle 10y ago
      From http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/cfb/carbohydrates.htm http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/cfb/carbohyd... > Carbohydrates (also called saccharides) are molecular compounds made from just three elements: carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. Monosaccharides (e.g. glucose) and disaccharides (e.g. sucrose) are relatively small molecules. They are often called sugars. Other carbohydrate molecules are very large (polysaccharides such as starch and cellulose). I wish people would stop hating on "carbs" and redirect their disdain to sugars / small carbohydrates.
    - krzyk 10y ago
      Fiber is carbohydrate also, but one that is not digestible by humans.