4 ms·

> What exactly is he afraid that'll happen? [1] Why all of the resistance? He is afraid of being proved wrong. It's a very common problem with climate change d

by wklauss 10y ago

> What exactly is he afraid that'll happen? [1] Why all of the resistance? He is afraid of being proved wrong. It's a very common problem with climate change deniers. Facts and figures keep piling up but they always grasp any possible alternative explanation. The longer they sustain their position, the fooler the look if they backtrack, so they tend to become more and more entrenched in their opinions. Trump just happens to have the opportunity to silence government funded organizations.

daenz 10y ago
When you say he denies climate change, are you referring to climate change itself, or man made climate change? I know man made climate change deniers who fully believe in climate change. But the term "climate change denier" gets thrown around so loosely (sometimes I wonder if that's intentional), that I don't know what people are actually referring to.
- erklik 10y ago
  I think most, when referring to "climate change denier" mean to say "anthropogenic climate change denier". Most people who are "climate change denier"s in the above sense do actually believe in climate change in general just not the fact that we have influenced it.
  - scrollaway 10y ago
    You'd be surprised the amount of people who very seriously say "Global warming isn't real! There's snow outside!". This is why there's been a push towards the "climate change" wording in the first place.
    - gozur88 10y ago
      >You'd be surprised the amount of people who very seriously say "Global warming isn't real! There's snow outside!". That's because, in a mistaken campaign to get people motivated, AGW activists say "See how hot it is today? Global warming is the reason!" Remember how the northern ice cap was supposed to be gone by 2013? Polar bears extinct? If you don't want people on the other side to make arguments based on today's weather, you have to call out the people doing it on your side.
  - bdamm 10y ago
    There's also the folks who believe we are causing it, but don't think we should bother to prevent that.
- Rusky 10y ago
  The description here applies to both.
- twr 10y ago
  https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838... Edit: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/408977616926830592 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/40897761692683059... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/418542137899491328 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/41854213789949132...
  - daenz 10y ago
    Didn't he admit in an interview that this was a joke? Edit>> Found the source http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-china-created-climate-change-2016-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-china-created-cl...
    - epistasis 10y ago
      >Trump has for years used words like "hoax," "canard," "mythical," "con job," "nonexistent," and "bulls---" to reject mainstream climate science: [long string of anti-science tweets] I'm not sure what your point is exactly? That it was a "joke" but he also believed it? Because he says in that "admission": >And I often joke that this is done for the benefit of China — obviously I joke — but this done for the benefit of China. So is he saying its for the benefit of China or not? At best it seems that he's trying to say it but weasel out of any accountability for saying it.
- wklauss 10y ago
  Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now. I think splitting hairs over the term is unnecessary. I'm sure there are people who believe earth's climate has always been the same but they are probably very few. The most popular position among climate change deniers, as far as I know, is that this changes are part of the natural cycle and humans have little or no impact.
  - masonic 10y ago
    "Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous
    - Oletros 10y ago
      I didn't knew that the change was in les than 200 hundred years, do you have any link to papers showing such unprecedented quick change?
- yongjik 10y ago
  "Climate change denial" is not a coherent platform. There may be some who hold logically consistent views (whether they are real or not), but they are not necessarily consistent with each other, and in any case the majority of people don't care. As long as one can say that mankind should not take any action to avert climate change, most "climate deniers" are happy, and whether the myriad of supporting arguments contradict each other is not their concern. For example, what's Trump's opinion on whether the Earth is warming or not? Does he even care?
sytelus 10y ago
Nop. There is huge amount of vested interested in denying climate change. All the big industries including oil, gas, coal have regularly sponsored "studies" that would twist facts and have spent enormous in lobbying to push back on climate change theories. Many other industries such as automotive has interest in curbing regulations that says reduce pollution by x% by y year. Climate change affects almost all of the manufacturing in one way or another. Thing is that once you accept climate change as man made event, the immediate consequence is asking all the businesses to spend extra on minimizing impact. That never goes well with businesses. My theory is that republicans initially started denying climate change due to lobbying and then they had to take that as religion because science doesn't support it.

by wklauss 10y ago

daenz 10y ago

When you say he denies climate change, are you referring to climate change itself, or man made climate change? I know man made climate change deniers who fully believe in climate change. But the term "climate change denier" gets thrown around so loosely (sometimes I wonder if that's intentional), that I don't know what people are actually referring to.

erklik 10y ago
I think most, when referring to "climate change denier" mean to say "anthropogenic climate change denier". Most people who are "climate change denier"s in the above sense do actually believe in climate change in general just not the fact that we have influenced it.
- scrollaway 10y ago
  You'd be surprised the amount of people who very seriously say "Global warming isn't real! There's snow outside!". This is why there's been a push towards the "climate change" wording in the first place.
  - gozur88 10y ago
    >You'd be surprised the amount of people who very seriously say "Global warming isn't real! There's snow outside!". That's because, in a mistaken campaign to get people motivated, AGW activists say "See how hot it is today? Global warming is the reason!" Remember how the northern ice cap was supposed to be gone by 2013? Polar bears extinct? If you don't want people on the other side to make arguments based on today's weather, you have to call out the people doing it on your side.
- bdamm 10y ago
  There's also the folks who believe we are causing it, but don't think we should bother to prevent that.
Rusky 10y ago
The description here applies to both.
twr 10y ago
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838... Edit: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/408977616926830592 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/40897761692683059... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/418542137899491328 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/41854213789949132...
- daenz 10y ago
  Didn't he admit in an interview that this was a joke? Edit>> Found the source http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-china-created-climate-change-2016-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-china-created-cl...
  - epistasis 10y ago
    >Trump has for years used words like "hoax," "canard," "mythical," "con job," "nonexistent," and "bulls---" to reject mainstream climate science: [long string of anti-science tweets] I'm not sure what your point is exactly? That it was a "joke" but he also believed it? Because he says in that "admission": >And I often joke that this is done for the benefit of China — obviously I joke — but this done for the benefit of China. So is he saying its for the benefit of China or not? At best it seems that he's trying to say it but weasel out of any accountability for saying it.
wklauss 10y ago
Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now. I think splitting hairs over the term is unnecessary. I'm sure there are people who believe earth's climate has always been the same but they are probably very few. The most popular position among climate change deniers, as far as I know, is that this changes are part of the natural cycle and humans have little or no impact.
- masonic 10y ago
  "Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous
  - Oletros 10y ago
    I didn't knew that the change was in les than 200 hundred years, do you have any link to papers showing such unprecedented quick change?
yongjik 10y ago
"Climate change denial" is not a coherent platform. There may be some who hold logically consistent views (whether they are real or not), but they are not necessarily consistent with each other, and in any case the majority of people don't care. As long as one can say that mankind should not take any action to avert climate change, most "climate deniers" are happy, and whether the myriad of supporting arguments contradict each other is not their concern. For example, what's Trump's opinion on whether the Earth is warming or not? Does he even care?

sytelus 10y ago

Nop. There is huge amount of vested interested in denying climate change. All the big industries including oil, gas, coal have regularly sponsored "studies" that would twist facts and have spent enormous in lobbying to push back on climate change theories. Many other industries such as automotive has interest in curbing regulations that says reduce pollution by x% by y year. Climate change affects almost all of the manufacturing in one way or another. Thing is that once you accept climate change as man made event, the immediate consequence is asking all the businesses to spend extra on minimizing impact. That never goes well with businesses. My theory is that republicans initially started denying climate change due to lobbying and then they had to take that as religion because science doesn't support it.