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Meh. Some people act like anybody who has ever called themselves a "Scientist" has never been wrong or that mainstream science has never been wrong. It has. Man
by WayneBro 10y ago
Meh. Some people act like anybody who has ever called themselves a "Scientist" has never been wrong or that mainstream science has never been wrong. It has. Many, many times.
Unless you're taking the time to do the science yourself and verify the results - you could be getting lied to or otherwise misinformed. Do you ever actually do that or do you generally just trust people who call themselves a scientist and who are trusted by other so-called scientists?
This article is also a bullshit piece of propaganda that is going on attack because somebody in the White House wrote a 7 paragraph energy plan summary that didn't include their favorite word. The plan clearly states that "Lastly, our need for energy must go hand-in-hand with responsible stewardship of the environment." and last time I checked the "climate" is part of our environment.
Do you really think that Science as an institution is incorruptible?
- j2kun 10y agoIt's self correcting. That's the point. When it is wrong scientists admit it, and use those examples as case studies for future generations.
- WayneBro 10y ago...in a perfect world. I got some news for you: this world ain't perfect.
- j2kun 10y agoIn the actual world, though. This is why we don't perform lobotomies or think atoms are a plum pudding.
- WayneBro 10y agoIncorrect. "Science" is the reason why we had things like lobotomies in the first place. Your entire arguments rests on a "No true Scotsman"-like logical fallacy.
- j2kun 10y agoI'll reiterate my point: science is not immune from mistakes (nobody is arguing that), but in general, it tends to correct those mistakes over time.
- WayneBro 10y agoThere is no science without people though...and people are not immune from mistakes.
- j2kun 10y agoNobody is saying they are, which is my entire point
- WayneBro 10y agoNo, that was my point. You were trying to say that it's OK because it correct itself over time. However, that fact does not really help us in the present time.
- j2kun 10y agoYou seem to imply that science causes people to make mistakes. The opposite is true: people make mistakes and generate stupid ideas with reckless abandon. Science is the process of putting those ideas to objective scrutiny, and validating or refuting them with evidence. Stupid doctors came up with the idea of a lobotomy, science refuted it as a bad idea. You blame science for the origin of the idea, which is missing the point.
- WayneBro 10y agoOh I see your problem. Your perception is way off. Please allow me to correct your misunderstanding once again and hopefully for the last time. You seem to imply that there is this perfect thing called science, which is wholly separate from people... This is a huge blunder because, in fact, there is no science at all without people. Therefore, science can't possible be responsible for anything by itself. So, as you can see (hopefully...and finally), it follows that I couldn't possibly be blaming this inanimate thing called Science for anything. Nope. Not possible. I blame people. People make errors. There is no science without people. You're trying to separate the two. Stop doing that.