Many of those things are not "public goods" by the economics definition (see my reply to a sibling). > You expect there to be... That's why it's not slavery. Y

Many of those things are not "public goods" by the economics definition (see my reply to a sibling). > You expect there to be... That's why it's not slavery. You are paying for those things that damn near everyone agrees they want. If those things are important to me, then I will pay for them. Just because someone else "expects" certain things doesn't mean I do. Everyone manages to put shoes on their feet without the government. And charity could certainly take care of the rest without shoes. Taxation is not a prepayment for services rendered. Or an insurance policy. Or a usage fee. > social programs ... I agree with you there that is slavery Excellent. Then let's agree to move in the direction where government only does the "public goods" stuff. Once we get there, we can disagree again on how far we want to go.